imported_DJ Mayo
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#80 does have filling potential, but the gloss that it adds to the paint is amazing. Work it in enough to reduce the filling.
Really impressed with Meguiar's as of late
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imported_Ivan Rajic
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As everyone else said, well written post Todd... I started with Meg's 3-4 years ago, went through a bunch of products, mainly polishes from Optimum, Poorboy's, etc. and ended up back with Meg's mainly... I use Meg's and Menzerna about 50/50 but due to the Menzerna acting up in some situations I see myself going more and more towards using 100% Meg's polishes (and probably products too, although Stoner IG is very hard to beat)
Good post and great recognition of awesome products!
Good post and great recognition of awesome products!
SuperBee364
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Yet another kudos, Todd.
I fell away from Meguairs back when Zaino came out, and hadn't really returned until recently. I used them pretty much exclusively in the '80's cause they were pretty much the only game in town.
Guess it's gone full circle, cause I'm reaching for Meg's products more and more lately. Maybe it's because I hate the fact that every time I reach for a Menzerna bottle, I'm lining the pockets of a ... whoops, I better stop that thought mid sentence before I say something ban worthy. Speaking of which, I remember that post/thread on MOL that got you banned. I hardly ever post there, too, because it's so heavily moderated, and it seems that most everyone there are real "fan boyz". As much as I do like their products, there is always room for criticism and critique (at least, that's what my wife says/does.. who am I to argue?) and MOL tolerates neither one.
Anyway, I couldn't agree more. I love Meg's products and their over all attitude toward their customers. The only gripe I have is that I *really* wish Megs would have said, "for those of you having problems with M105, please use product XXXX instead", and left the original formula 105 on the market. Maybe release the new 105 as (yet another) product number.
I fell away from Meguairs back when Zaino came out, and hadn't really returned until recently. I used them pretty much exclusively in the '80's cause they were pretty much the only game in town.
Guess it's gone full circle, cause I'm reaching for Meg's products more and more lately. Maybe it's because I hate the fact that every time I reach for a Menzerna bottle, I'm lining the pockets of a ... whoops, I better stop that thought mid sentence before I say something ban worthy. Speaking of which, I remember that post/thread on MOL that got you banned. I hardly ever post there, too, because it's so heavily moderated, and it seems that most everyone there are real "fan boyz". As much as I do like their products, there is always room for criticism and critique (at least, that's what my wife says/does.. who am I to argue?) and MOL tolerates neither one.
Anyway, I couldn't agree more. I love Meg's products and their over all attitude toward their customers. The only gripe I have is that I *really* wish Megs would have said, "for those of you having problems with M105, please use product XXXX instead", and left the original formula 105 on the market. Maybe release the new 105 as (yet another) product number.
I'm not sure that Megs is under-appreciated on Autopia, atleast to my perceptions.
I've always felt they've had great support. They pretty much dominate the non-boutique threads. The one dark/shameful episode is the caning Mike Pillips received over NXTs introduction. Very disappointing behaviour from some Autopians.
I think a worthy brand that is totally ignored is Mothers. That's a prejudice I've never understood since joining. :nixweiss
I've always felt they've had great support. They pretty much dominate the non-boutique threads. The one dark/shameful episode is the caning Mike Pillips received over NXTs introduction. Very disappointing behaviour from some Autopians.
I think a worthy brand that is totally ignored is Mothers. That's a prejudice I've never understood since joining. :nixweiss
imported_Jakerooni
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Todd have you been picked up for professional sponsorship by meguire's? LOL Almost sounds like a sales pitch to me. But I admit most of the new products I've tried of theirs have given me supurb results. Still need to get in some of the 105 and 205 to see what the new craze is all about.
Like SuperBee364 said I used megs left and came back.83 @ 80 are some very good products for years they where the go to polishes I personally have been using them for 10 to 15 years if not longer. Now I have to try 105 @ 205. That was an exellant post and it was nice to meet you at detailfest you do some awesome work and your right-ups are even better.:thx
dublifecrisis
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What I agree most with Todd is the 'as of late' part. I know years ago it was Meguiar's or nothing...any enthusiast that wanted the best look for his car went out and bought some Meguiar's. The 'as of late' is where all the praise of newer products is just flooding in. Now if we can just get rid of Deep Crystal, Quik Wax (not the UQW),#9 etc...
But I bet more than half the people that look down on Meguiar's products are just too darn proud to admit that they've got at least 2-3 of their products on the shelf and use them regularly. I've seen people literally run out of forums when they come preachin and pushin the Meg's stuff.
But I bet more than half the people that look down on Meguiar's products are just too darn proud to admit that they've got at least 2-3 of their products on the shelf and use them regularly. I've seen people literally run out of forums when they come preachin and pushin the Meg's stuff.
Glossequation
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I've liked Meguiar's ever since I tried #16, about 6 years ago. I have quite a variety of their products, but I'll be honest all my polishing goes through 3M, though that might also go hybrid as I've just purchased Ultimate Compound to try and replace my aging and diminishing supply of Fine Cut. I will still finish and do light polishing with PI III Machine Glaze, as I love that stuff. I have also started to use Mother's (FX Synwax) so it's a combo of companies for me. Yes they're all macro companies but they make good products at affordable prices.
One thing I will say is that Meguiar's packaging is all over the place, vs Mother's which is easily identified with their red color - you know that red-Mother's. With Meguiar's you can can get maroon bottles, black bottles, cream bottles, the ultimate line, the professional line, the consumer line. I think they need to streamline this...everyone who doesn't follow the industry will walk into Autozone and be thoroughly confused.
One thing I will say is that Meguiar's packaging is all over the place, vs Mother's which is easily identified with their red color - you know that red-Mother's. With Meguiar's you can can get maroon bottles, black bottles, cream bottles, the ultimate line, the professional line, the consumer line. I think they need to streamline this...everyone who doesn't follow the industry will walk into Autozone and be thoroughly confused.
Pats300zx
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I agree 100%...Its a great wax...Can you believe it got it a jar for .99 cents when Autozone was clearing out the products...
some interesting points brought up here. i always felt that the PC was capable of removing serious defects with the right pads, products, and user technique (kbm, etc). with the new technology of all these new products these days (#105, UC, etc), it's utilizing the full potential of the PC even more so. there's no telling what new products will come out in the future as things progress and get better and better, to make the PC even more effective than it already is. in a way, it's almost like cheating as some are achieving the same results quickly as some who have been mastering the rotary/machine polishing for years...
imported_Ivan Rajic
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SuperBee364 said:
I have yet to try the new formula but having used the old with G110 and white LC 5.5" pad on a few cars in the last month I think I'll be agreeing with you as soon as I try it.
jordanrossbell
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Another product that i will give a nod to that hasnt been mentioned is M86 Solo polish. It has unigrit abrasives as well and is a pleasure to work with...it says a lot wetter than 105 and doesnt flash near as fast...but of course that can lead to problems, but it has a nice cut to it and finishes nicely! I love it
wannafbody
wannafbody
Megs best products
105
Ultimate compound
26-looks great but doesn't last very long
NXT soap
NXT glass cleaner
yellow polishing pad
Megs worst
yellow WW MF
105
Ultimate compound
26-looks great but doesn't last very long
NXT soap
NXT glass cleaner
yellow polishing pad
Megs worst
yellow WW MF
wannafbody said:
You are talking about the waffle weave? Once I figured out how important doing my laundry properly was I greatly changed my opinion on the Meg's waffle weave.
I now use a Meguiar's super suede drying towel/chamois for step 1, and then the WW for blotting and final passes. 1 of each of those will dryjust about ANY vehicle of any size. Love that combo.
I will say, though, if you wash that waffle weave with any towels with wax they might as well be saran wrap. :soscared:
wannafbody
wannafbody
I have one Megs yellow waffle weave that is terrible. Luckily i only paid $1 for it on clearance. The best WW I have is made by Mothers.
In regards to 26 it darkens so much that it can make light colors a shade darker. IMO it's best on darker colors.
In regards to 26 it darkens so much that it can make light colors a shade darker. IMO it's best on darker colors.
wannafbody said:
Ha Ha I don't use the yellow WW MF for drying like it's intended to be used but I can tell you that it's the best towel I have ever used for doing windows. I have ordered many of the WW MF made for windows from the online stores and they all linted after a while not matter how I take care of them. Not the Megs Yellow WW MF though. I have four of them and they are the original ones Megs first released and they are all I use on windows. I find them too course for paint compared to my other WW MF though.
Given that a couple of folks have expressed negative views of Meguiar's Online, I'd like to share with you a positive view. As you know, I am new to detailing. I have been visiting various detailing forums for the past nine months or so. In my opinion, MOL is the most helpful and instructive forum on the internet for newbs. The community is welcoming and patient. Folks bend over backwards to help beginners with the most basic detailing and product questions, and they do so over and over and over again, day in and day out. Most importantly, beginners can count on the soundness of the instruction and counsel they are given by Mike Phillips, Tim Lingor, Michael Stoops, Mike Pennington, Mark Kleis, and several others. The detailing instruction provided on MOL is invariably reliable and provides a good foundation for detailing.
Being a community populated with newbs has its disadvantages. For example, because MOL encourages newbs to participate in the forum and to help their fellow newbs, inaccurate information is sometimes disseminated; but one can always count on Mike P. and the moderators to step in and correct the bad information, whether regarding product or technique. Also, I think that the strong emphasis on supporting beginners and intermediates probably discourages more experienced detailers from contributing to the discussion. One could wish that more of the Meguiar's heavyweights, such as Kevin Brown and Joe Fernandez, contributed more frequently. I mention this not to criticize but only because I want to learn from the best; but not everyone enjoys participating in internet forums, nor does everyone have the time. This is the reason I like to frequent other detailing forums, in addition to MOL. At the moment one can learn more about the Kevin Brown Method here on Autopia than on Meguiar's Online.
The "weaknesses" that others have noted are determined by MOL's mission--to assist people in the proper use of Meguiar's products. The forum is sponsored and paid for by Meguiar's. This simple fact has a number of consequences:
First, one should not expect to hear a lot about non-Meguiar's products. Everyone who participates in MOL knows that the forum exists to support and sell the wares of Meguiar's. If a person wants to talk at length about Menzerna polishes or boutique waxes, he will have to visit another forum. On the other hand, MOL does not permit its members to attack (as opposed to briefly criticizing) the products of other manufacturers. One does not find lengthy threads on MOL lambasting Zaino, Mother's, Pinnacle or whatever. One gets the sense that Meguiar's confidently believes that its products, once tried, will ultimately sell themselves. As Mike Phillips repeatedly proclaims, "Find what you like and use it often!"
I think it is true, though, that there exists a reluctance to speak negatively of Meguiar's products. No doubt people feel that to do so would be to bite the hand that is feeding them. Those employed by Meguiar's are understandably constrained. Don't expect Mike Pennington to announce that he secretly prefers Souveran over NXT. Only in Miracle on 34th Street does Macy's send customers to Gimbles. Hence one sometimes gets the feeling that everyone on MOL believes that Meguiar's sells the absolutely best products in every category, and some buy into this a bit too enthusiastically, especially we newbs. Converts are often obnoxious in their zeal. But hopefully we all grow up and our horizons expand. I do not for a moment believe that other companies do not offer products that are as good as if not superior to Megs' products. I like to experiment with different waxes, for example. NXT is nice, but just maybe I will find a wax that looks even better on my Luthien. But on the whole I am content to stick with Meguiar's because I am convinced that I am getting good value for the money and because I know where I can get reliable support when I need it.
Second, MOL is a moderated forum. Forum rules are consistently enforced. I remember my own surprise when I received a gentle rebuke from one of the moderators about my use of a certain word. It had never occurred to me that the word in question was inappropriate in a family-friendly forum. I occasionally yearn for the freedom of expression and debate permitted on other forums. But the positive consequence of MOL's strong moderation is a high civility of discourse. Flame wars do occasionally happen, but they are always short-lived and often preempted by moderatorial intervention. Self-appointed "experts" who like to pontificate on detailing matters without offering substantiation for their views do not last very long. MOL is a pleasant, respectful, and informed community--and that counts for something.
The mission of Meguiar's Online is different from the mission of Autopia. MOL is not for everybody. But if you want to learn how to properly and effectively use Meguiar's products or if you are just starting out on the detailing adventure, then it really is a good place to be.
Cheers,
Al
Being a community populated with newbs has its disadvantages. For example, because MOL encourages newbs to participate in the forum and to help their fellow newbs, inaccurate information is sometimes disseminated; but one can always count on Mike P. and the moderators to step in and correct the bad information, whether regarding product or technique. Also, I think that the strong emphasis on supporting beginners and intermediates probably discourages more experienced detailers from contributing to the discussion. One could wish that more of the Meguiar's heavyweights, such as Kevin Brown and Joe Fernandez, contributed more frequently. I mention this not to criticize but only because I want to learn from the best; but not everyone enjoys participating in internet forums, nor does everyone have the time. This is the reason I like to frequent other detailing forums, in addition to MOL. At the moment one can learn more about the Kevin Brown Method here on Autopia than on Meguiar's Online.
The "weaknesses" that others have noted are determined by MOL's mission--to assist people in the proper use of Meguiar's products. The forum is sponsored and paid for by Meguiar's. This simple fact has a number of consequences:
First, one should not expect to hear a lot about non-Meguiar's products. Everyone who participates in MOL knows that the forum exists to support and sell the wares of Meguiar's. If a person wants to talk at length about Menzerna polishes or boutique waxes, he will have to visit another forum. On the other hand, MOL does not permit its members to attack (as opposed to briefly criticizing) the products of other manufacturers. One does not find lengthy threads on MOL lambasting Zaino, Mother's, Pinnacle or whatever. One gets the sense that Meguiar's confidently believes that its products, once tried, will ultimately sell themselves. As Mike Phillips repeatedly proclaims, "Find what you like and use it often!"
I think it is true, though, that there exists a reluctance to speak negatively of Meguiar's products. No doubt people feel that to do so would be to bite the hand that is feeding them. Those employed by Meguiar's are understandably constrained. Don't expect Mike Pennington to announce that he secretly prefers Souveran over NXT. Only in Miracle on 34th Street does Macy's send customers to Gimbles. Hence one sometimes gets the feeling that everyone on MOL believes that Meguiar's sells the absolutely best products in every category, and some buy into this a bit too enthusiastically, especially we newbs. Converts are often obnoxious in their zeal. But hopefully we all grow up and our horizons expand. I do not for a moment believe that other companies do not offer products that are as good as if not superior to Megs' products. I like to experiment with different waxes, for example. NXT is nice, but just maybe I will find a wax that looks even better on my Luthien. But on the whole I am content to stick with Meguiar's because I am convinced that I am getting good value for the money and because I know where I can get reliable support when I need it.
Second, MOL is a moderated forum. Forum rules are consistently enforced. I remember my own surprise when I received a gentle rebuke from one of the moderators about my use of a certain word. It had never occurred to me that the word in question was inappropriate in a family-friendly forum. I occasionally yearn for the freedom of expression and debate permitted on other forums. But the positive consequence of MOL's strong moderation is a high civility of discourse. Flame wars do occasionally happen, but they are always short-lived and often preempted by moderatorial intervention. Self-appointed "experts" who like to pontificate on detailing matters without offering substantiation for their views do not last very long. MOL is a pleasant, respectful, and informed community--and that counts for something.
The mission of Meguiar's Online is different from the mission of Autopia. MOL is not for everybody. But if you want to learn how to properly and effectively use Meguiar's products or if you are just starting out on the detailing adventure, then it really is a good place to be.
Cheers,
Al
imported_Ivan Rajic
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And we thought Todd was employed by Meg's recently! haha I kid I kid... very accurate post Al... I am one to always defend Meg's as I've started with them, expanded my horizons to try 'everything' else, and went back to them 100% pretty much... forum is, as you said, more of a place to discuss and learn about Meg's products than anything else, but a good one nonetheless