Reality vs special

Do you guys think there's a certain flair or panache involved in using a product that is unknown to a customer?

A guy who never before dreamed he'd be spending $200 to have his car "waxed" has got to be impressed when he sees a foam gun, two buckets with those specially designed grids in the bottom, a sheepskin wash mitt, six different Poorboy's products being used to spiff up his ride, and those half inch thick towels!

I was discussing the CR Spotless system with a high-end detailer friend once. He said "probably not necessary, but my Lambo owners want to see the sizzle."
 
ok njcarting1 you obviosly picked the wrong guy to talk smack to and ill bet you dont know very much about detailing so im not going to waste too much of my time with you .. no i dont have a phd but im bright enough to step out of the box and experiment with products to achieve a better result . i probably have more bottles of waxes than you have of all your stuff altogether . if you want to call somene out about detailing you should be better at it than the person you are calling out and i am quite sure you are not even close .. now go get your cascade dish soap and your daddys old jar of SIMONIZE and have a nice day .. dont forget to ARMORALL the tires . pm me if you want to continue this discussion .. sorry bout the hijack i felt i was called out for some unknown reason
 
Just an observation so dont rip me on this PLEEZ!!#1 Ron your post was unusually long and kinda ran together. #2. Things stand for different stuff across the country,(east vs west coast). #3. I do beleive with 85% accuracy that NJ(Bill) is purchasing and using products from Poorboys. At least he asks lots of questions so he doesnt have to experience the HARD learning curve a lot of people experience. I do that too, just to make sure I dont screw up a vehichle by doing the wrong thing or taking to long. OK rant is over. Its my observation. RANDAL
 
bigron62 said:
ok njcarting1 you obviosly picked the wrong guy to talk smack to and ill bet you dont know very much about detailing so im not going to waste too much of my time with you .. no i dont have a phd but im bright enough to step out of the box and experiment with products to achieve a better result . i probably have more bottles of waxes than you have of all your stuff altogether . if you want to call somene out about detailing you should be better at it than the person you are calling out and i am quite sure you are not even close .. now go get your cascade dish soap and your daddys old jar of SIMONIZE and have a nice day .. dont forget to ARMORALL the tires . pm me if you want to continue this discussion .. sorry bout the hijack i felt i was called out for some unknown reason
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Thanks for the kind words, I am happy I could get so much great info from a pro...:notme:
 
Ok given where this thread is going Let's get specific.

Define OTC: The following brand can be considered OTC: Turtle Wax, Black Magic, Mothers (although few places carry the whole line OTC), Meguiars, Duragloss, Collinite,
Stoners, Sprayway, Armor All, Liquid Glass, Nu Finish, lots of all purpose cleaners.

If you read all the posts, the following should be a practical set of products:

Soap: DG901 or Meg's Gold Class
Polishes: Meg's
Sealants/Waxes: NXT/M21/DG105/Collinite
Plastic Trim: Meg's
Misc: DG/Meg's/Mothers
Polisher: Porter Cable

Personally, I think someone who pushes the products more than technique is selling themselves short (maybe for a reason). This encourages people to think they can order "non-OTC" and do the same work.
 
Cleaned up this thread a little. Left some questionable posts that weren't exactly friendly but weren't bad enough (IMO) to remove.

njcarting, You were asking for opinions and Ron gave you his.

MIXING PRODUCTS HOW? WHAT YOU GOT A PHD IN CHEMISTRY? Please tell me what part of adding water in a bottle takes up so much time? I and most "I THINK" USE THE PRODUCTS STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE IN MOST CASES. When needed its diluted with water to add or subtract product strength. Please tell me more about what I have apparently missed in product mixtures.
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This sure looks like you were trying to start an argument to me... I think the questions you had could have been asked in a more respectful manner. Don't you?
 
OK Troy whats your point? Did you see me crying over what he said. Opinions are like " we all know what" everybody's got one.

I guess I got a new nickname out of the foolishness ha. I don't care stupid is as stupid does like forest said.

He still didn't answer the post question. :notme: Thats ok slap me for the foolishness you cant take away my birthday.



Cleaned up this thread a little. Left some questionable posts that weren't exactly friendly but weren't bad enough (IMO) to remove.

njcarting, You were asking for opinions and Ron gave you his.
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YES, And i just gave mine as well... Have I committed a CRIME?
 
njcarting1 said:
OK Troy whats your point?
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My point is this:

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You posed your questions to Ron in an argumentative, slamming manner and we don't do that here. I value you as a member but if that's the way you're gonna be then I would rather you not post. We are all suppose to be friends here and if we are not, at least we can be respectful.

I will add that Ron did not respond in a very respectful manner either but to quote my kids, "You started it!":D

Seriously let's just take it easy and maybe someone can actually learn something from this thread.;)
 
tuscarora dave said:
I have'nt found an otc wax that looks as good as any of the online stuff that I have now. The only otc polishes that I have used that worked effectively either dusted like crazy, dried out too quickly or were too hard to remove the haze. nearly all of the tire shine that I have purchased otc made the tires look really good when used but in the long run turned my tires brown. With the apc that I now use (PB), I can mix up 40 quarts at 10 to 1 dilution for $43. The stuff I used before from Auto Zone would have cost me $199.60 for 40 cans, though it did work ok it did not work as well. My search for good quality products over the counter ended with the discovery of Poorboy's World Detailing Products. If I run out of something in my Poorboy's line, they are so versitile I can usually substitute with another of Steve's products to get the job done with outstanding results. When i was using otc only I produced excelent results in the eyes of the customer. But I can say that now the results I achieve are deffinately a cut or two cuts above the other pro detailers in my area. In my oppinion the otc stuff was a much needed stepping stone in my learning curve and if the internet products were outlawed tomorrow I could still get great results but at a much lower efficiency.
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Dave ..comments appreciated and that would be about as close an explanation as i could give ...:bigups
 
Each component (product and process) plays it's part in your success. Being a pro detailer where time is money I am always looking for a product that will "do it better and faster". Whether it's OTC, internet only, pro line doesn't matter to me. What matters is how well it works.

I notice significant differences between products and I know that a cheaper product is less likely to satisfy my needs. I've said this before though, just because a product is expensive doesn't make it good.
 
njcarting1 said:
I SAY THATS 100% RIGHT...

Just to add some fuel to the fire with this one. Can anyone here tell after a "WASH AND DRY" IF the wash soap used is better or just soap at different pricing?

I wash more than anyone I know but I am not crazy enough to break the bank on soap. I am sure my annual soap purchases are around 150.00 right now. I also know if I get a designer product it could add as much as another c-note TO THE ANUAL COST.

My QUESTION IS THE RESULT WORTH THE EXTRA GREEN ???? :idea:inspector::inspector::notme:
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I will be honest as I can be as a seller of products. I have used all different car wash soaps and I have noticed the best ones usually are the more expensive, BUT they are not absolutely necessary to get your car clean safely and effectively.

As long as it's:

1. PH balanced so that it will not strip waxes or sealants

2. Formulated with good lubricants to keep dirt from scratching the paint as you wash.

The rest of the attributes like smell, rinsing capabilities and protective ability are all secondary IMO but may be important to you.
 
There are other things to consider too, the "best" product in the wrong hands is no better than the info-mercial cream. Technique plays a big role and sometimes the learning curve on some things is just plain crazy, it's like a neighbor of mine after hearing a 15 minute tirade about how to prepare deer meat- laughed and said, "Buddy, after all those steps a dog turd would have tasted good." The "chef" was totally deflated after that comment and it's something that I always remember, call it the K I S S principle if you will. (keep it simple stupid) for ya'll non millitary types

I don't like finicky products - whether boutique or OTC. I quit searching for the holy grail of detailing products after realizing there were more cheap ones that worked better than the pricier ones.

Like the dude said - find something you like and stick with it.
 
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