Rapid Fire regimen

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Greycar

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This forum has helped me for which I am forever grateful. I Have a new 2013 Honda Accord and used the blackfire 'rapid fire' treatment on it about a month ago. I used a white pad(fo total polish and seal) with the Griot's Garage random orbital and the crystal seal has a mirror finish. I have recently purchased the WD polymer spray, and use it after regular car washings. My car has no swirls and the paint is in good condition. OK so here goes my questions (forgive me I am new to detailing):
1)What is the proper procedure for the up keep of my car? Do I keep doing rapid fire about twice a year? Is there such a thing as too much polish and seal? Will to much polish be bad for the paint?
2)Should I use a different combo for the up keep?
3)WD all finish paint protection looks nice (seems to give it a wet look, which is what i want)
4)How often to use WD poly spray, after every wash 1-2 times a month?
5)I'm trying to avoid waxes because it seems the other blackfire products would work well and easier to apply.
6)How often to apply the products?

I'm sorry for all the questions but I am a novice and I don't want to screw things up. Basically I'm looking for the easiest or somewhat easy regimen to keep my car having the whiplash effect. Please if you could also guide me in telling me which pads to use for the products.
 
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Let's see if I can make a mess of your questions.

1) Your regimen can be as complicated as you like (mine certainly is ;) ) - or simple. You can certainly keep on the Rapid Fire cycle. I'd watch for the beading to weaken and then reapply. If the surface is still good, then you might consider something like BF GEP instead of BF TP&S. No point in removing paint if you don't have to. Either of the products will remove existing sealant on the car.
2) Only if you want to. BF is a really good line, though.
3) Yes, it is.
4) You don't HAVE to use it or you can use after every wash or something in between.
5) OK. Many members love their 'nubas, though.
6) No set answer. Climate and exposure are the biggest detractors to sealant/wax longevity. Watch for the beading to weaken (get larger). Once it does, then it is time. You can apply more frequently.
 
Don't use BF TP&S if you don't need correction (removal of minor swirls). Even then the GEP can help with that without abrasives. That's all you really need to consider for how often you use a product is if its abrasive. TP&S, while mild, is abrasive and does remove paint
 
Ok ,since I already used TP&S with crystal seal, which should of taken care of any minor swirls and (cleaned) the paint. Would it be wise to follow up with WD all paint protection followed by crystal seal as maintenance in about let's say 6 months or should I add another blackfire product to that. Should crystal seal be used on top of WDPP or even a wax product for LSP?
 
Once the beading starts to weaken (or before), either would be great choices. BF CS & BF WDAFPP are similar products. You trade ease of application for a bit of longevity and looks. If you want to layer them, that would work, too.

If you want to layer with a wax, that will work, too. Mostly an aesthetics thing if you prefer the looks of 'nubas.

As I typed originally, you can go complex or easy. Your choice.
 
Thanks, is there an appropriate order of application meaning wdapp then CE then wax? Or would a different order be better. Also what pads would you recommend for the mentioned products. Again thank you for helping.
 
Personally, I layer such that more durable is under less.

Pads?
Tp&s - green or white
Gep - black
WDAFPP - blue
CS - MF towel.
 
i agree with mike 100%. you don't have to limit yourself to just twice a year for a complete detail if you don't want to. personally, i like to have a clean, defect free surface to begin with, followed up with a good base coat of bfwd. then maintenance is easy with bfcs and/ or bfps, whenever you feel like it. the wipe on/ walk away products are so easy to use, i use them whenever i want more shine or the beading/sheeting action starts to reduce. just keep it enjoyable for yourself. :)
 
when i had "rapid fire" on the xterra i did the following.....

1. BF POLISH & SEAL
2. CRYSTAL SEAL. (great product)
3. BF POLYMER SPRAY about every other wash.
 
I will try to keep it as simple as I can, so lets say in about 6 months I want to do the 'wet ice over fire', since I already did 'rapid fire' can I apply wet ice on top of rapid fire (or do I have to wash/strip the rapid fire)? Should I add bfcs to wet fire if yes does it matter at what point. From my understanding the wdapp is more durable than bfcs but than there's the wax. Too many products or no such thing as too many products:) I have the CS so I figured I might as well use it. Thanks in advance for everybody's help.
 
I like to periodically strip off products and start fresh.

Sealants (in general) go under waxes.

BF CS is a great product.
 
Yes I agree BF CS is very good, that is why I still want to use it in whatever regimen I choose. Right now WD APP, followed by BFCS then BF Wax, is what I'm thinking, hopefully this is a good combo. I was also planning to use BFCS every now and then on top of the wax, is that ok?
 
Dear Greycar

Unless one of the many veteran detailers here advises otherwise, put the wax on top of the sealant.

See this.
 
Thanks for that info., if I do use wax as last step what should I use every couple of weeks as an up keep besides me washing the car? BF WD Poly spray seems to fall under a sealant. There is BF instant detailer spray would that be better?
 
Ill do gloss enhancing polish once a year or sooner if the paint needs a good cleansing. Two coats of wet diamond in a single day after the GEP. For maintenance I do a weekly wash then use polymer spray after each wash which seems to give the paint a little extra oomph. Once a month after a wash I'll do a crystal seal and skip the polymer spray for that week. This regiment is fairly quick and seems to give me good results and keep the slickness up which makes washing so much easier.
 
Greycar said:
1)What is the proper procedure for the up keep of my car? Do I keep doing rapid fire about twice a year? Is there such a thing as too much polish and seal? Will to much polish be bad for the paint?
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Total Polish and Seal is very mild. You could use it every six months for the life of your car and never experience significant clear coat thinning (provided it isn't applied with a rotary polisher and wool pad).

Use the TP and S as needed to clean the paint, and keep applying a coat of Crystal Seal every 2 months.

2)Should I use a different combo for the up keep?
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Yes, if you chose. Although Crystal Seal every two months is nice and simple.

3)WD all finish paint protection looks nice (seems to give it a wet look, which is what i want)
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Both Crystal Seal and Wet Diamond AFPP use similar ingredients (and some different ones). Both are paint sealants. Wet Diamond is more durable and perhaps slightly darker looking. Both products, when applied to polished paint will create a wet look.

4)How often to use WD poly spray, after every wash 1-2 times a month?
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Yes, this will also extend the life of Crystal Seal, so in this case you could apply Crystal Seal every 3 months or so.

5)I'm trying to avoid waxes because it seems the other blackfire products would work well and easier to apply.
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BLACKFIRE also makes waxes, but in your case, and including the ease-of-application, you will be very pleased with the sealant range.

6)How often to apply the products?
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TPnS- as needed, likely once a year
Crystal Seal- Every two months, or every three months IF you are using Poly Spray
Poly Spray- 1 to 2 times a month after washing.
 
Greycar said:
Ok ,since I already used TP&S with crystal seal, which should of taken care of any minor swirls and (cleaned) the paint. Would it be wise to follow up with WD all paint protection followed by crystal seal as maintenance in about let's say 6 months or should I add another blackfire product to that. Should crystal seal be used on top of WDPP or even a wax product for LSP?
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If using WD AFPP & Crystal Seal, initially apply WD first. Both products use similar polymers and will bind to each other.
 
Greycar said:
I will try to keep it as simple as I can, so lets say in about 6 months I want to do the 'wet ice over fire', since I already did 'rapid fire' can I apply wet ice on top of rapid fire (or do I have to wash/strip the rapid fire)? Should I add bfcs to wet fire if yes does it matter at what point. From my understanding the wdapp is more durable than bfcs but than there's the wax. Too many products or no such thing as too many products:) I have the CS so I figured I might as well use it. Thanks in advance for everybody's help.
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Yes you can apply Wet Diamond directly on top of Rapid Fire. You could strip it down with BF TPnS. It really is up to you and how much time you want to devote on that day. All BLACKFIRE products are designed to work together, although I still recommend application of a pure sealant (Wet Diamond, Crystal Seal) prior to application of a wax.
 
Greycar said:
Yes I agree BF CS is very good, that is why I still want to use it in whatever regimen I choose. Right now WD APP, followed by BFCS then BF Wax, is what I'm thinking, hopefully this is a good combo. I was also planning to use BFCS every now and then on top of the wax, is that ok?
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Yes, you can use CS on top of BF Wax (they both have the same polymers). We don't recommending using off-brand sealants on top of other waxes, however.


Greycar said:
Thanks for that info., if I do use wax as last step what should I use every couple of weeks as an up keep besides me washing the car? BF WD Poly spray seems to fall under a sealant. There is BF instant detailer spray would that be better?
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BLACKFIRE Polymer Spray will maintain a BLACKFIRE Midnight Sun Carnauba Wax with no problem. However, it will not replenish the wax ingredient. BLACKFIRE Midnight Sun Instant Detailer will help maintain both the polymers and waxes on the surface.
 
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