quick question for you Zaino guys
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imported_memnuts
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These people may have applied 15 or so coats but unless they do not drive or wash their vehicles they really do not have 15 coats in place. Normal wear and tear of a protectant.
I can not imagine manipulating (waxing) my vehicles surfaces 15 times without needing some sort of surface marring repair (i.e. polishing).
Polishing = 0 coats.
I can not imagine manipulating (waxing) my vehicles surfaces 15 times without needing some sort of surface marring repair (i.e. polishing).
Polishing = 0 coats.
Since there is no abrasive in Zaino, multiple coats are not causing any harm either to the previous coats or to the paint.
Conventional wisdom, however, is that additional coats over 4 or 5 cease to create any significant visible effect. That has been my experience, too.
Also, Zaino should be re-applied every 4 to 6 months or so (depending on both time and exposure to the elements), and so 15 coats applied over two or three years is quite different from 15 coats applied over two or three weeks.
Conventional wisdom, however, is that additional coats over 4 or 5 cease to create any significant visible effect. That has been my experience, too.
Also, Zaino should be re-applied every 4 to 6 months or so (depending on both time and exposure to the elements), and so 15 coats applied over two or three years is quite different from 15 coats applied over two or three weeks.
Scott P
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Maybe they are applying 15 coats of Z-5 to try and hide the swirls? 
There are several people who like to apply many coats of Zaino. It does layer well, so you can notice an improvement after 3-4 coats. However, after that, you start seeing less and less improvement.
I think people sometimes get carried away and having the most coats of Zaino becomes some sort of braggin rights.
There are several people who like to apply many coats of Zaino. It does layer well, so you can notice an improvement after 3-4 coats. However, after that, you start seeing less and less improvement.
I think people sometimes get carried away and having the most coats of Zaino becomes some sort of braggin rights.
blkZ28Conv said:
Yea, exactly, but it seems like these guys are putting on a coat every 2 weeks are so, so in the case zaino lasts so long they are simply just adding another layer. I"m not saying if it's a good thing or bad thing.
And I agree w/ you on the marring they'll have. That's the argument I'm having w/ them. W/ the same effort you put into zaino you could actually remove imperfections instead of hide.
I dont' see why you find it humerous. Zaino is a good product, proven many times over. Just because a group of people are fanatical about it doesn't make it amusing.
I'm sure plenty of people find a board about detailing (exclusively) amusing. I would if I didn't understand the gratification I get from having a clean car.
I'm sure plenty of people find a board about detailing (exclusively) amusing. I would if I didn't understand the gratification I get from having a clean car.
Mindflux said:
I never said it wasnt a good product, I just think its the people who own these cars think that Zaino is the end all product are a bunch of Bandwagon hoppers. They seen someones car who was professionally detailed with Zaino and go out and try to copy the same product onto their vehicals make it looks good once then go online and say OMG This stuff is absolutly increadible, and the next thing you know its a domino effect. When people try to tell them that is isnt the greatest product in the world they get VERY deffesive. Then they end up with an example of that Black C5 Corvette that was just displayed. They just kept layering the Wax and not taking into consideration that you have to Polish, Glaze, Seal, then Wax or follow with any kind of prep before waxing.
togwt
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The only problem I see with applying ‘layer’ over a long period of time (if the vehicle is driven as opposed to a garage queen). Is that there will be a layer of dirt (that requires a polish to remove) that remains on the surface and is subsequently covered over by the next ‘layer(s)’? This dirt will build up in the pores of the paint system and will affect the colour by turning it gray (more noticeable on lighter colours, especially white)
I totally agree that after 3-4 ‘layers’ there is not much to be gained as far as aesthetics, but there is a real danger of surface marring by subsequent ‘layers’ which IMO are not worth the risk
I totally agree that after 3-4 ‘layers’ there is not much to be gained as far as aesthetics, but there is a real danger of surface marring by subsequent ‘layers’ which IMO are not worth the risk
317indy said:
The only difference between them and you is education. Telling them that Zaino is inferior is like telling Mike Phillips, Scottwax, rjstaaf, etc that Meguiar's is inferior. You won;t change their mind.
So what is the resolution? Educate the uneducated. Instead of trying to change their mind on the product they currently use, change their mind on the surface preparation. As it's been said on this board many times, "Surface preparation is everything". Teach these car nuts that preparation is just as important than the end product used.
99% of the time you're only opening yourself to a flaming if you go into a forum trying to change the current influence of that particular forum.
I think the majority of the "zealot" attitude that many of you experience is due to your attempt to change the thinking of a particular group. Looks what happens to anyone that has a difference of opinion in this forum. The majority of the time, that person is hung up by the scruff of their neck and torched like Joan of Arc. All of this because their opinion didn't jive with rest of the groups. This is what happens in the car forums.
If it be with Zaino, Meguiars, Einszett, .... or Turtle Wax, these guys and gals just want their car to look phenominal. So why not educate them on how to prepare the surface instead of trying to change their mind. Perhaps after being educated they may stick with what they are currently using or take your advice.
Just a thought,
David
Slythetove
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317indy said:HOLY CRAP! You werent kidding! OMG!
One guy applied all of his Zaino in the sun:shocked
Zaino can be applied in direct sun with no problems at all. I do all my Zaino in direct sunlight. It helps it cure faster.
SK2003TypeS
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Slythetove said:
I did my windshield this weekend in direct sun with straight Z2. Dried in like 10 minutes. :xyxthumbs
imported_Intermezzo
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Mindflux said:
LOL, good post Flux. I've always been amazed at how some people obsess over the way OTHER people obsess about Zaino.
It's like, "Hey, wow! Look at those Zaino Zealots!"
imported_Lawdog
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I dunno. A friend of mines truck all of a sudden started looking not so good with washes and reapps. He called Sal and Sal told him there was a point when you can get too much on and you need to remove it and start over. He did, and his truck looked great again. Go figure!
I like Zaino personally. I had a bad experience w/ Klasse.. this was before the "Klasse Kraze"(tm) started. I'd love to give it a go again, but knowing Zaino works for me.. it makes me wonder if I should spend the money. Klasse is less work to apply, it's just a bear to remove (the SG anyway).
Long live Zaino; from a non-Zealot. I like what I use, but I don't dispute there are other products out there that work well for other people.
I also do realise a lot of pre-prep is involved in making any car shine great. It's education that gets you there.
Long live Zaino; from a non-Zealot. I like what I use, but I don't dispute there are other products out there that work well for other people.
I also do realise a lot of pre-prep is involved in making any car shine great. It's education that gets you there.