Question on sealers and fillers

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What would be best to use to fill some micromarring swirls I have? I don't have a good orbital or any other kind of decent buffer to really remove them. Since it's really starting to cool off I'd like to get once more decent polish and seal in before it gets too cold.



I've heard that the Meguiars deep crystal and NXT waxes, along with polishes, contain fillers. I've got some Meguiars polsh laying around, along with some deep crystal carnuba and NXT. As far as sealers I have Poorboys EX and Zaino Z5. I'd like to also add some depth and shine while covering up the marring.



What combination should I use? Should I apply something like NXT over top of the EX or Z5, or would that disrupt the previous sealer layer? What about applying a glaze like Vanilla Moose topped with EX or Z5, would that work out? My car is bright red, so I really want the color and gloss to pop.
 
Tough situation. Typically remember that the only thing you can really put over a glaze is a nuba. So you might want to look at Megs #7 (I think thats it its called Show Car Glaze) and then pick your nuba to go over the top of it. Remember, NXT does have some light cleaning properties so it will remove some of the glaze.



I would not use anything other than ZCS/Z6/Z8 over your Z5. Zaino and nubas dont play well, its the oil and water effect.



Bob from Danase recomends 3M Imperial Hand Glaze as the highest OTC glaze out there. You can get it most anywhere. You might want to try that and then seal it in with a nuba.
 
3M Imperial Hand glaze is a bit easier to use than Meguiar's Show Car Glaze M07 (Wm. Bonney was right on the name).



Either way, carnauba wax will lay on top of either glaze and help keep the protection in. Make sure you're using a "pure" wax; that is, one that is not listed as a "cleaner-wax". The cleaners will remove the glaze you took time to apply.



One exception to the "sealants and glazes don't mix" standard that I know to be fact is Meguiar's M21 Synthetic Sealant. It is just fine over their glaze and it's more durable than wax. It's actually a very good looking product as well.
 
RedlineIRL said:
Ok, it sounds like the only thing to use with glaze is a carnuba.



What about just a standard polish topped with EX or Z5? Does that work fine?
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Polish is fine and you can top with EX. When using a polish and Z5 I at least do a wipe down with a ONR mix or Z6.
 
Yeah, 3M Imperial Hand Glaze is awesome! I use it on a lot of black and show cars where the customer doesn't want to pay for a full polish job. It can be a tad bit of a pain to remove but a wet microfiber followed by a dry one makes it a breeze.
 
Danase said:
Yeah, 3M Imperial Hand Glaze is awesome! I use it on a lot of black and show cars where the customer doesn't want to pay for a full polish job. It can be a tad bit of a pain to remove but a wet microfiber followed by a dry one makes it a breeze.
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What would be the best product to top the 3M IHG for protection??
 
Do you want the micromarring to be filled in for a long time.

If so, don't use 3M IHG. The worst product ever made IMO

Comes off within a week and is a ***** to use



You could use a chemical polish/glaze

Jeff's prime would get rid of those and allow you to use any sealer or wax you want

Those results won't wash away and the good thing is the improvement of the finish from it



Chuck a few coats of fireglaze over that and then use prima hydro each wash to keep any new marring hidden away. Hydro lasts about three months here in Oz and definately hides very well



Of course you could also go the glare system

Some micro finish and professional polish by hand which will fill in anything just about and use pro polish as a sealant and their rapid action spray to keep any new marring hidden



Prima Amigo & Epic is another. Amigo allows any sealant to bond to it and according to DP, really lifts the finish higher.



I've had terrific results with permagard PD5000 and the glare pro polish, even after many washes, the fillers are still there and the slickness hasn't gone at all



Those are just a few systems you can choose from.

Danase wet glaze does sound great also, chem guys, the list goes on



Remember you don't have to use pressure by hand when your using non abrasive glazes and chem polishes by hand



When applying a glaze or chem polish by hand, start with high speed but no pressure and then slow down and go over the same area for thirty seconds and then move to the next section once you've gotten the gloss you want.



Use more than one pad and keep them clean. You don't want to hand polish many panels with built up glaze/polish residue in the pad

Back and forth motion then up and down, mimick how you would use a machine.
 
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