Question about stripping layers

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Dalton

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I need some help. I want to strip the EX-P off my car and start over. I have heard people say that 50/50 water/rubbing alcohol works. I am a little afraid to use alcohol on my car. I dont think dawn would be good for my car either. I am planning on using Wash, Clay, SSR, AIO/SG.


Would the AIO be enough to take off the EX-P so I can start over?
 
But since you want to take something completely off, maybe you want a 100% polish like PB PP rather than a 1/2 and 1/2 like AIO which is part polisher and part sealant and therefore -- IMO -- can do both reaosably well but in this case, you want 100% pure polishing action.

Actually, this goes to a question I wanted to ask Poorboy: if I am using AIO do I need to use PB PP -- and I don't mean in a case like this where I really want to take off a new LSP, but maybe months after I detail when the layers have worn down and are negligible and I normally would figure "ah, just AIO'ing will get whatever's on the car off and prep it for the final layers."

And as a sidebar, if I use a SSR on a car, would that too take off any LSP remnants that make using both PB PP and AIO redundant (or maybe using a SSR makes BOTH unnecessary?).

As I understand it, SSR's are just more abrasive polishes (?) so if one used them, maybe the PB PP and/or AIO steps are not necessary?

Of course, this is all about getting RID of layers and not about having the surface ready for whatever you're gonna put on. Poorboy already posted to me that using PB PP is the best way to prepare a car for EX-P so even if I was using an SSR I'd probably want to use PB PP afterwards since SSR + EX-P probably isn't as good as PB PP + EX-P.
 
I was using AIO because the SG will bond to it better than it will to PP. I am using SSR to remove swirls/scratches, AIO to polish and SSG to seal.
 
OK, the SSR's remove whatever's on the surface...but what about "preparing" the paint/surface for proper bonding with EX-P ??

Poorboy ??????
 
Dalton your plan is fine:bigups

Hondaman either way will do, but PP would be just a tad better for longevity, and SSR's would be better for gloss;)
 
Dalton said:
I was using AIO because the SG will bond to it better than it will to PP. I am using SSR to remove swirls/scratches, AIO to polish and SSG to seal.
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Right.....but do we want to use a 100% cleaner like PB PP and then use AIO to prepare for bonding and then go with SG? If it's EX-P, then you just use PB PP and go to EX-P.
 
Hondaman either way will do, but PP would be just a tad better for longevity, and SSR's would be better for gloss;)
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You mean SSR'ing the car makes it LOOK better, but are you saying this should be the final step before EX-P ?

In other words, I use PB PP AFTER or BEFORE the SSR? I would think SSR'ing is done BEFORE since PB PP is less abrasive and you want that coating down before the EX-P. Are you now saying that you can do either PB PP or SSR before using EX-P: PB PP if you want the best bonding, SSR if you want the best look?

Or are you saying use them BOTH in the correct order?

Sorry, I'm confused if using both -- SSR and then PB PP (I presume that's the order) -- is going to lead to the better bonding/lesser look since you said SSR is for gloss. Do you mean SSR is better for gloss if it's done right before EX-P or no matter as long as it's done somewhere in the process?

Sorry if this is confuing...thanks for your help.
 
I think my previous post is confusing...let me try and clarify:

You said previousley that using PB PP is the best prep for EX-P....understood.

Now you say that SSR gives you the best "gloss" before EX-P.

What I am asking is: does that mean you CHOOSE between one or both -- PB PP and SSR? Because if a car has more gloss when it's SSR'd and then EX-P goes on, then the the intermediate stage of using PB PP might "cloud up the finish" or take some of the gloss off. Am I reading this right?

Or does it not matter -- as long as you do the them in the right order (presumably, SSR/PB PP/EX-P) you're getting both the best gloss look and the best prep?

Damn, this is confusing....thanks for deciphering this conundrum, Poorboy!
 
man my eyes and head hurt reading all that :crazy :confused:

What I meant is

1) you can use PP to strip and then go straight to EX-P for you..longest lasting...

2) you can use just a SSR and get better gloss before EX-P slight loss of lasting.

3) for Dalton, he can use either SSR's or PP then AIO and SG, as AIO will set up best for SG (two acrylics)

4) and if you have a lot of spare time ...do it all :lmfao :rofl
 
OK, I think I got you, Poorboy....because basically PB PP is the equivalent of SSR 0.5 or something like that. In other words, more mild than SSR 1.

I think I got you. I just thought that if I SSR'd a car and then PB PP'ed it, that as long as I took off all the residue from the PP it'd be back to the "glossy look" after the SSR. But maybe doing another step reduces it, whatever.

Anyway, thanks for the response. If I get to one of your clinics, I owe you a soda! :)
 
Poorboy's SSR1 and PP have different competencies and appearance characteristics. Either of them can be used as a base layer for a sealant or carnauba wax. There is no "correct" order in which to use the two products. The Poorboy's lineup is very flexible, so it's up to each individual detailer to determine which product to use for a particular situation. For a more detailed discussion of the merits of SSR1 before PP vs. SSR1 after PP, see this thread.
 
Thanks AWD...that cleared it up. Too bad you couldn't post it sooner, we coulda saved Poorboy a headache !! :) :)
 
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