So I’ve got some “test� updates, and also some Company answers to questions I asked.
I’ll start with “test� updates.
I should mention again that I have not the least shred of detailing experience. What I know, I learned on Autopia over the last six weeks or so. I also have one detail under my belt (my car, last week). So, I have nothing to compare to. I have no points of reference with which to compare this product to others, and who knows, maybe I can’t tell a good shine from a bad one. Frankly, I'm not quite sure how this happened -- I mean me, here among this crowd, saying I’m going to “review� a product, just as if I knew what I was talking about. I don’t know how you guys put up with me. You probably sit there thinking, “What’s the bonehead going to do next?�
As I mentioned I was going to do in an earlier post, I rinsed the car off about a week after putting on the Protect All. In a wand wash joint I just rinsed it off, using the low pressure non-spotting rinse. I tried this because company materials indicated that you could usually get away with rinsing only, because not much stuck to Protect All.
The verdict? Another company claim verified. I rinsed quickly, seeing if I could get it done on one loonie (success!
). As predicted by the company materials, there was only a little bit of dust and dirt on the car, even though during the week the car was driven 20 minutes or so in the rain. Anyway, the dirt that was there basically just lifted off and floated away at the first touch of the water. Very cool, I’d say.
The paint’s condition seems even better than before. The shine is wet and clear, and gleams beautifully. I’m happy with the glass. It was perfect the other day in the rain. I’m happy with the leather: matte and subtle. Same with the tires, and it looks good on the aluminium wheels too. The dash still has very little dust on it, almost as if it’s being repelled by the product. (Is dust repulsion another company claim?-- I don’t know.)
Hell, I might as well just say I’m very happy in all respects with Protect All. I have no complaints about anything -- except that the pump bottles are messy.
On Pat Huber’s advice, I’m going to wait awhile to put on another coat of Protect All.
Now let’s deal with the company questions and answers.
What I've done is simply to compile and edit emails I exchanged with the company.
You’ll see that a few items remain outstanding. When I hear, you’ll hear.
~3W
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This transcript contains the email of three people: me, Pat Huber, and Ken, who works with Pat at Protect All. Ken only comes in toward the end, and at that time I’ll distinguish between Pat and Ken’s emails.
1.
a) Are Shine Plus and All Surface Care the same thing? If so, how do they compare in price?
b) Exactly the same product. We discovered that too many of the RV customers weren't using Protect All on the interiors of their rigs. So we designed a "household" label. Now the solid surface industry, Corian countertops & such, have fallen in love with Shine Plus......... Prices are the same--from us anyway
2.
a) Could you mix QEW and All Surface Care together, and use the mix as a pump QD?
b) Not recommended. Mixing Protect All with water usually messes it up. I should say it breaks the emulsion and the components split out.
3.
a) Some like to mix a bit of ClearKote’s Quickshine in with the QEW mix, then wash and dry away as usual. Others do the same thing with Eagle’s Wax as You Dry. Comments?
b) How about, quoting "BC", "AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!." We don't recommend mixing our products other than as listed on the labels. I don't know what those other companies have in their products. That won't stop people from experimenting. Bad example: Had a guy call and say he received a gallon of Protect All. The previous owner no longer needed it. Short story is the previous owner was told to use a mixture of Tide, gasoline and Coleman white gas to scrub down his RV. I replied, "Tell him not to smoke while cleaning his coach."My meaning, in a roundabout way, is you never know what side effects you can produce when mixing different products.
4.
a) Do you have a recommendation for a QD for All Surface Care?
b) Sure! PROTECT ALL. I think I mentioned it before, Protect All's quick & easy application lets you use it as a QD. Benefit: You are freshening your coat of carnauba wax & UV blockers rather than just putting a light oil on the surface to produce a shine. Another story(sorry if I'm repeating myself): Dad sold used cars in the late 40s. His partner would rub a car down with kerosene when a customer was coming by. Did that produce a beneficial protective coating or just a quick, temporary shine? It produced a beautiful temporary shine.
5.
a) Does leather require any additional care, beyond just ProtectAll?
b) I wouldn't/don't use anything else. If you allow the leather to get extra dirty though, when Protect All doesn't clean it effectively, you might need a leather cleaner. Protect All won't get in the way of future cleaning with other products.
6.
a) “Softball Nut� has just posted this question: “Do the cleaners in the Protect All (All Surface Care) seem to remove much of the previous wax layers??� In my initial post in this thread, I recall saying that it was my understanding from the company that the underlying wax wasn’t disturbed by Protect All. Could you confirm that please, Pat?�Thanks
b) In the vast majority of cases Protect All won't disturb the wax. If the previous wax was close enough in makeup to Protect All, it could re-wet it.
7.
a) I don’t suppose you have a list of waxes Protect All won’t disturb -- that would be too easy. Assuming no wax list exists, is there some way to ascertain ahead of time whether the Protect All will “re-wet� the wax or not? Also (excuse me if this is a dumb question), what does the fact that an underlying wax is “re-wetted� mean exactly?
b)
i) [Pat] I'm going to forward your message to Ken. He's out of town at the moment but he might have more to say on this.
ii) [Ken] The only wax I have ever seen Protect All take some issue with is Liquid Glass and other products that are made to apply a thick build-up.
iii) [Ken] As for "re-wetting", most wax products use similar delivery agents so "emulsification" from one wax to the next would be common.
iv) [Ken]Emulsification or "re-wetting", though this is an uncommon term, can be a helpful part of the cleaning process. It can also help to ensure that the product you are using does not build up. It helps keep a level, flat, smooth surface.
8.
a) So far I think we’ve only been talking about waxes -- what about the polymer LSPs such as NXT, Klasse, Zaino etc. How will Protect All react with them? Assuming they can coexist, how’s the durability?
b) [Pat] That's one for Ken. Forwarded this morning. Should see a reply tomorrow. I'll be out of the office though.
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I’ll start with “test� updates.
I should mention again that I have not the least shred of detailing experience. What I know, I learned on Autopia over the last six weeks or so. I also have one detail under my belt (my car, last week). So, I have nothing to compare to. I have no points of reference with which to compare this product to others, and who knows, maybe I can’t tell a good shine from a bad one. Frankly, I'm not quite sure how this happened -- I mean me, here among this crowd, saying I’m going to “review� a product, just as if I knew what I was talking about. I don’t know how you guys put up with me. You probably sit there thinking, “What’s the bonehead going to do next?�
As I mentioned I was going to do in an earlier post, I rinsed the car off about a week after putting on the Protect All. In a wand wash joint I just rinsed it off, using the low pressure non-spotting rinse. I tried this because company materials indicated that you could usually get away with rinsing only, because not much stuck to Protect All.
The verdict? Another company claim verified. I rinsed quickly, seeing if I could get it done on one loonie (success!
). As predicted by the company materials, there was only a little bit of dust and dirt on the car, even though during the week the car was driven 20 minutes or so in the rain. Anyway, the dirt that was there basically just lifted off and floated away at the first touch of the water. Very cool, I’d say.The paint’s condition seems even better than before. The shine is wet and clear, and gleams beautifully. I’m happy with the glass. It was perfect the other day in the rain. I’m happy with the leather: matte and subtle. Same with the tires, and it looks good on the aluminium wheels too. The dash still has very little dust on it, almost as if it’s being repelled by the product. (Is dust repulsion another company claim?-- I don’t know.)
Hell, I might as well just say I’m very happy in all respects with Protect All. I have no complaints about anything -- except that the pump bottles are messy.
On Pat Huber’s advice, I’m going to wait awhile to put on another coat of Protect All.
Now let’s deal with the company questions and answers.
What I've done is simply to compile and edit emails I exchanged with the company.
You’ll see that a few items remain outstanding. When I hear, you’ll hear.
~3W
+=+=+=BEGIN EDITED EMAIL TRANSCRIPT+=+=+=
This transcript contains the email of three people: me, Pat Huber, and Ken, who works with Pat at Protect All. Ken only comes in toward the end, and at that time I’ll distinguish between Pat and Ken’s emails.
1.
a) Are Shine Plus and All Surface Care the same thing? If so, how do they compare in price?
b) Exactly the same product. We discovered that too many of the RV customers weren't using Protect All on the interiors of their rigs. So we designed a "household" label. Now the solid surface industry, Corian countertops & such, have fallen in love with Shine Plus......... Prices are the same--from us anyway
2.
a) Could you mix QEW and All Surface Care together, and use the mix as a pump QD?
b) Not recommended. Mixing Protect All with water usually messes it up. I should say it breaks the emulsion and the components split out.
3.
a) Some like to mix a bit of ClearKote’s Quickshine in with the QEW mix, then wash and dry away as usual. Others do the same thing with Eagle’s Wax as You Dry. Comments?
b) How about, quoting "BC", "AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!."
We don't recommend mixing our products other than as listed on the labels. I don't know what those other companies have in their products. That won't stop people from experimenting. Bad example: Had a guy call and say he received a gallon of Protect All. The previous owner no longer needed it. Short story is the previous owner was told to use a mixture of Tide, gasoline and Coleman white gas to scrub down his RV. I replied, "Tell him not to smoke while cleaning his coach."My meaning, in a roundabout way, is you never know what side effects you can produce when mixing different products.4.
a) Do you have a recommendation for a QD for All Surface Care?
b) Sure! PROTECT ALL. I think I mentioned it before, Protect All's quick & easy application lets you use it as a QD. Benefit: You are freshening your coat of carnauba wax & UV blockers rather than just putting a light oil on the surface to produce a shine. Another story(sorry if I'm repeating myself): Dad sold used cars in the late 40s. His partner would rub a car down with kerosene when a customer was coming by. Did that produce a beneficial protective coating or just a quick, temporary shine? It produced a beautiful temporary shine.
5.
a) Does leather require any additional care, beyond just ProtectAll?
b) I wouldn't/don't use anything else. If you allow the leather to get extra dirty though, when Protect All doesn't clean it effectively, you might need a leather cleaner. Protect All won't get in the way of future cleaning with other products.
6.
a) “Softball Nut� has just posted this question: “Do the cleaners in the Protect All (All Surface Care) seem to remove much of the previous wax layers??� In my initial post in this thread, I recall saying that it was my understanding from the company that the underlying wax wasn’t disturbed by Protect All. Could you confirm that please, Pat?�Thanks
b) In the vast majority of cases Protect All won't disturb the wax. If the previous wax was close enough in makeup to Protect All, it could re-wet it.
7.
a) I don’t suppose you have a list of waxes Protect All won’t disturb -- that would be too easy. Assuming no wax list exists, is there some way to ascertain ahead of time whether the Protect All will “re-wet� the wax or not? Also (excuse me if this is a dumb question), what does the fact that an underlying wax is “re-wetted� mean exactly?
b)
i) [Pat] I'm going to forward your message to Ken. He's out of town at the moment but he might have more to say on this.
ii) [Ken] The only wax I have ever seen Protect All take some issue with is Liquid Glass and other products that are made to apply a thick build-up.
iii) [Ken] As for "re-wetting", most wax products use similar delivery agents so "emulsification" from one wax to the next would be common.
iv) [Ken]Emulsification or "re-wetting", though this is an uncommon term, can be a helpful part of the cleaning process. It can also help to ensure that the product you are using does not build up. It helps keep a level, flat, smooth surface.
8.
a) So far I think we’ve only been talking about waxes -- what about the polymer LSPs such as NXT, Klasse, Zaino etc. How will Protect All react with them? Assuming they can coexist, how’s the durability?
b) [Pat] That's one for Ken. Forwarded this morning. Should see a reply tomorrow. I'll be out of the office though.
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.) Anyway, that's right: I whipped out the Protect All and squirted it on, wiped it off, and no more water streaks. (I'm throwing out the car wash soap I used -- I mean, it couldn't possibly have been my technique for heaven's sake!)