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Has anyone here actually seen a case of a "quality" polymer wax causing damage to paint?



White_F150
 
Again, Ron has mentined that 70/30 blend have more fibers per square inch. I don't remember him stating that his 80/20 towels are the best. In fact, I don't remember him stating that we should all try them as they're of great quality. No, he doesn't do this. I distinctly remember him saying that the towels that they have are of decent or good quality. He's also mentioned that there doesn't seem to be a pressing need for the people that work with him to buy or get the most expensive or the best microfiber towels either. Something about a problem of the microfiber towels mysteriously disappearing.



At any rate, Ron is a huge asset to the board. I'm sure that most will agree. He comes across as a very kind and helpful individual. He doesn't appear to be motivated to push a certain line of products. If anything, he's not specific enough. This is one thing that a few of us have mentioned in the past. However, this is certainly a good thing. I simply have an issue when certain individuals bash him regularly. Nobody deserves that. Well at least not him. It seems as though some members have nothing to contribute but negtive comments. What a shame. Laters.
 
I would be interested as and objective observer ( though an admitted Zaino user ) to know if anyone has ever seen someone report paint damage from polymer use. Some of these products have been on the market for years( Nu Finish ) and I personally have used zaino for about a year now, with no signs of a problem. And being a car care moderator on another site, I have never seen a post pertaining to any paint damage of this nature. If they can say this can happen, what time frame have they established as being pertinent? I really am not on any side, because if it were known to be deliterious to a car's finish, I would stop using it. Just seems like there would be more imperical data at this juncture.
 
darbh,

If you were around at the time of the original thread, you would realize that it was Ron who was trashing Detailking, not Don.

RH
 
Don2000G writes,"Ron is a huge asset to the board. I'm sure that most will agree. He comes across as a very kind and helpful individual."



Here is the original post:



Judge for yourself:

Ron K writes:



"Ahhh, DETAILKING, I'll listen to a lot of hype and bull, but that one takes the cake. What is going on, an elastomeric in the World's Best Snake Oil, Marketing Hype!!

You can do better than that!

I suppose it has "plastizers" that are the invention of Sal! Did he and Gore get together and invent the "internet" too?

Polymer sealants flex, if you will, because the coating is so thin. There are not one of these components in Zanio or any other sealant.

Did Sal tell you that? Watch out when he asked you to trust him and drink the orange drink! "





And unless Ron K is man enough to apologize publicly on this board or by a phone call to Sal, I will continue to disrespect him. When Sal called to talk to him, Ron did not have the guts to even talk to him. He would not take the call. So, I have no respect for him.



[Edited by RIC on 07-27-2001 at 07:14 PM]
 
Guitarman



I've used Mequiars Polymer sealant and Medallion Premium Paint Protection for quite a while now with no problems. That's one of the reasons why I have no problem switching to Zaino.



I believe that I read somewhere once where someone thought that "Liquid Glass" was causing their paint to crack. Don't know what the outcome was. However, that's why I stated in my previous post: "quality" polymer.
 
Thanks RIC. A lot of the folks throwing in their $.02 didnt read the original thread, or dont remember it. I remember it, and am glad you found it.



I was recently told to go "--ck myself" for a less arrogant response to a posting. And then was blasted again by BillNorth, the same guy who was praising Ron earlier in this thread.



Oh well.
 
The post that I referred to earlier where Ron K explained why putting a "flex agent" in a paint protectant or sealant is a bad idea, is here:

http://autopia-carport.com/forum/showthread.php3?threadid=663

Here, Ron K presents a pretty straightforward, informative, and logical argument on this subject...I don't see any personal references or insults in any of the man's posts in the above-mentioned thread.

As far as whether or not Ron K. "trashes" people--it is irrelevant to this argument. For what it's worth--in my experience he's always given me polite and careful replies to my questions. Maybe others have had different experiences--I don't know.

Regardless, I don't see what Ron K's demeanor has to do with what I'm saying--i.e., that the man posseses a great deal of technical knowledge about detailing techniques, detailing chemicals, auto paint, etc. etc.

My reply to RIC was to refute his insinuation that Ron K. doesn't know what he is talking about. If RIC or anybody else has a problem with his demeanor--they should comment on that, rather than commenting on the man's knowledge--unless they can refute what Ron K. is saying--and I ain't seen that happen yet.
 
The post you are referring to talks about flex agents in paint. Do you know what kind of flex agent is in Zaino? Did Ron chemically analyze Zaino and find that there is no flex agent? All Ron does is explain why the paint flex agents would not make sense in a paint sealant in his opinion.



JS writes, "unless they can refute what Ron K. is saying--and I ain't seen that happen yet."



Zaino definitely does contain a flex agent.



This is Ron's background from his website:"He has an extensive business background in many sales and marketing fields ranging from writing instruments to automotive chemicals."

I don't think he even has a chemical engineering degree...correct me if I am wrong. From what he writes, he gives the impression that he does.



[Edited by RIC on 07-27-2001 at 07:36 PM]
 
Really, who cares whether you "disrespect" Ron K. or about how he had the "audacity" not to take "Sal's phone call". Why don't you, or Sal, or somebody refute his points instead of worrying about that kind of stuff.
 
Another ad hominem attack. Have YOU chemically analyzed Zaino? How do you know it does have a "flex agent" in it. Because "Sal told me so", that's how.



As far as whether or not Ron has a chemical engineering degree--that doesn't mean the man doesn't know his business.



My Father (now retired) was a chemical engineer with IBM for over thirty years. Held several patents for chemical processes used to develop and manufacture electrical wiring and semiconductors--but he didn't have a chemical engineering degree either.
 
Ron K. knows his stuff. Period. He knows more than most of us for sure. Very friendly guy. Always eager to help out when he can. For the most part, very positive and extremely informative. He has helped many of us out with specific issues, specific models, specific paint issues on specific issues, specific leather problems, etc.....I don't care if he has a chemical or nuclear engineering degree or what. He knows his stuff. Whether he acquired that knowledge via a degree or with extensive work with the big 3 automakers, I don't care. He knows his stuff and that's all that matters. Laters.
 
Re Ron K, an earlier poster in this thread wrote:



"Nor have I found him to look down on others."



If you do a search on the word "monkeys" and "Ron Ketcham" you will find a post where Ron said the following in reference to employees who clean cars:



"When you have 46 monkeys, working in the heat, humidity etc, they don't pay attention . . . but the QC Supervisor does."







[Edited by darbh on 07-28-2001 at 02:31 AM]
 
RH, yes I got upset with you once. I didn't think a response you gave was appropriate. You didn't offer any good advice, you just criticized. Ron may be rough around the edges, but he gives good quality advice in all his replies. Our opinions differ. Maybe I misunderstood the context of your post. Let's let bygones be bygones my man. I'm not here to make enemies, only perfect my detailing skills.



And yes I do like Ron K. He has given me alot of helpful advice. He may not come across as the most politically correct person, but you know what, he's just a human being like the rest of us. He's not perfect. Nor am I, nor are any of us. He has his own distinct personality, like the rest of us. Some like it, some don't.



To each his own.
 
First, I will not attempt to defend what I know from over 30 years in the business of vehicle care, wether painting them or providing consulting and products to the vehicle manufacturers.



I have a staff of chemical chemists, they are my base source, but I will tell you this.



When it comes to what is the substrate, what is it made of, etc that the manufacturer's vendors are providing, they are out of the loop. My Tech Director and I gather this information, work with the manufacturers engineers and toxology staffs etc. We do the base, starting formulas and then pass them on and work with the chemists to meet the requirements of the vehicle manufacturers.



Tell me of one other that posts here regularly that can do the same! You may not agree or like some of the information, but it comes from the real sources, not a chemist or sales force. Read and weep.



As far as the "monkey's" comment, understand that we at AI and our sub company, AP deal in the real world, vehicles from dealers and owners. Our employees are not college graduates, but "entry level" or just out of the pookey and need a job, one that requires they perform trainable, repeatable processes, not the sort that are anal about the results. Kind of like a fast food place. You don't get filet migon at McDonald's.



It is a common term for the new hires, the ones we know will not be around for more than 90 days no matter how high the pay. Pay them a grand a week and they would only last a week. To much money for the drugs.



Fact of life, folks.



So, I used that term "monkeys" because after 30 years of baby sitting these types, not all, but enough of them, don't have much respect for most. We train them to do simple things, no rotary buffing, etc, just trainable, repeatable processes.



Just like training a dog to sit up and and roll over. Don't expect loyality from most, just want them to at least call in the day they are too hung over or drugged out.



The daily control of these is up to the supervisors, but it is a business, hope you all understand that.



I am not policticaly correct, Ford, GM, DCX, Honda, Toyota,Nissan, VW/Audi,BMW, etc know that. But they also know that I will call it as it is, not in the "gee, will this make you happy?" bull, they respect that. Guess because they have plenty of "yes" types, the ones that sweep the concerns under the carpet, let another take the heat.



Just returned form SoCal on a trip paid for by one of the larger imports to explore and address a major paint and trim concern on around 4,000 vehicles. They paid for the trip, the expenses and a daily fee of $500.



Do I make a living from what is said or thought of me here?? No, don't expect to, just am a gearhead and like to share with you all, that which the car manufacturers pay me to learn and share with them.



Want me to start charging???

Would doing so make my posts more acceptable???

Would doing so make some of the little chemical companies that market to consumers look a bit behind the eight ball??

Yes it would, but that is not why I am here,so I choose to not do that unless something is so phoney or off base that it begs to be addressed.

Nough said.
 
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