Porter Cable, do i need it?

lj_barcelon

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Hello fellow autopians,

I'm really starting to enjoy the art of car detailing/cleaning/washing my household vehicles which consists of a black toy tacoma, silver corolla, and dark gray avalon.



I have the regular necessities such as clay bar, mf towels, cali water blade(which i only use on the light colored cars)cotton rags, Meguiars car wash shampoo. Zaino Z2 and Z5.



i often try to zaino my truck at least every 3 months and same goes for the other vehicles.



Zaino website recommends to do it by hand,

i just purchased

the autopia grip applicator which made it easier to apply zaino.



will a pc make my job a lot faster/easier?

if so, can you recommend a reliable best bang for the buck store on where to get one?



thanks, bud
 
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on you with Zaino. BUT the PC is mainly used for polishing the paint. If your trying to remove swirls with a machine designed product (most 3M polishes and Meguiar's pro line, etc. etc.) you will do better with a PC than by hand and it'll take a lot less elbow grease to break down the polish. On finishes that need to be polished, the PC will provide better results. Is the PC the solve it all problem for paint problems? No, it is not. On most of the cars I see and work with, a rotary polisher is needed to completely remove the swirls. The PC would just be a compromise. I am not putting down the PC. I have one and use it extensively. It provides good results without having to worry about burning the paint, paint thickness, and lots of splatter. After you wash you're cars evaluate the paint. Are there swirls and light scratches? Does the paint look like it could use some more "POP." Do a search also. It'll dig up lots of info. The PC has been a very discussed topic....



Jason
 
the PC is basically the best 'civilian' random orbital buffer i can think of. you can purchase one at your local Lowes for around $109. It is a lot more forgiving than the cheaper versions and/or definately rotary buffers. it is probably the most powerful random orbital as well, with speeds ranging from 1k-6k RPM's (adjustable)
 
Yes, I would also recommend the PC. Its a very good tool to have in your detailing arsenal!! But don't forget, at Lowes they sell the PC for $109 and then you have to buy a backing plate as well as pads, so it gets a little more expencive than just $109. Check out CMA and look at the pads and backing plate.
 
I was debating the PC thing, but then I tried clay. After seeing how easily and beautifully clay removes all surface oxidation, I no longer feel any urge to buy a rotary buffer. I simply can not see how applying wax with a buffer could be any faster or better than by hand. Also, car detailing is exercise for me...why waste that.
 
The PC is not a rotary buffer. It is a dual action/random orbit type of polisher. It provides more power than a store purchased orbital buffer with those big bonnets (Craftsman comes to mind, wait because I have one!) but is less powerful than a rotary (a Makita 9227C, DeWalt 849, the new Vector at www.properautocare.com (doing research, I'm in need of a rotary, debating day to day if to order one.)



Sure clay is a must in every detailing arsenal, along with a bug/tar/sap remover. Clay might not help all finishes though. i've seen surfaces so oxidized that clay didn't even make a dent in it. Bring out the PC and a good paint cleaner and the finish was gleaming. Polishes are also needed. Swirls and scratches will happen. I have seen swirls and/or scratches on 100% of the cars I've seen no matter how well it is detailed and maintained. Sure they might not be evident in sunlight or flood lights, but some how someway there is at least one or two swirls/scratches in cars that have over 1 mile on them. The only way to get NEAR perfect paint is a custom paint job or wet sanding and polishing. I doubt anyone owns a car in the world with 100% perfect paint. There is always that one crack, one spider web, one small miniscule patch of orange peel, etc. etc.



I wax by hand most of the time. The only time I break out the PC to wax is if I'm doing a larger pick-up truck/SUV to ensure even coverage, and I settle for hand most of the time. No need to get tangled up in cords and putting down the wax to properly operate the PC.



Now waxing aside. On a car with light/medium washing swirls using a good polish (3M, Meguiar's, and Valugard polishes are in my kit) by hand is actually less effective than using a PC. I used a PC for polishing most veichles and I lent it to a friend. I had to polish my godmother's recently purchased (2 days ago) silver caravan (used car with 97000 miles, owner used a scotch brite pad or the like to scrub the hood, all dull and really deep scratches.) I sucked it up and went at it by hand. The hood took me two hours alone. The hood was the worst part of the car. It was a dull silver. It had no reflection what so ever. I used Valugard (www.autoint.com) Heavy Duty Cutting Compound (used to remove 800 grit sand paper marks), worked it in twice, followed with Clear Coat Compound, worked this in twice, then Pre-Conditioner cleaner (find it similar to 3M FI II.) the hood came out decent. It didn't have that crisp sharp silver reflection, but a sort of blurry reflection. The hood needs more work. I polished the rest of the car by hand with Pre conditoner cleaner and followed up with their Carnauba Cream wax (ok, ok I broke the rules, forgot thin, I laid it on thick, used two ounces for the caravan.) The car came out ok. The hood was my main problem. there are still faint-light swirls you can see at an angle in sunlight, but hey it is silver. I am trying to convince my godmother to get me a rotary to polish out this caravan. There is also one spot of rust about the size of a quarter on the passenger side door. I know I will need to use a rotary to blend that repair in, along with mixing up a special batch of touch-up paint. Anyhow, I will post pics of the hand polishing job and follow up later on about the out come of the rotary and have an in depth review of the paint chip quarter size repair.



I get enough exercise, detailing to me is a laid back hobby. Sure my arms and back were sore after polishing the caravan but my godmother was happy (spent 10 hours cleaning it at a slow pace, interior, exterior, and engine, along with 4 powerbars and 1/2 gallon of gatorade.)



Oh gosh, what a long rant. Ok I'm ending the rant.



so here is my reply in 3 lines



Wax - hand

Polishing - PC

Need help PC won't cut it - Rotary



Happy Detailing :)

Jason
 
JasonC8301 said:
Wax - hand

Polishing - PC

Need help PC won't cut it - Rotary
Yeah I think that sums it up nicely. :D



Also Snatchface, remember that claying and waxing and polishing are all very different things with different functions. Claying does not replace waxing or polishing.
 
No, you don’t need a Porter Cable, but when you do your annual ground up detail you’ll wish you had one if you want to get rid of those swirls. Absolutely the best way for us amateurs to use polishes/cleaners!



I guess that some people use a PC to apply/remove Zaino, but as a recovering Zainoholic I don’t think that’s an appropriate use for a PC. Zaino is so easy to apply and remove - a PC seems like overkill, and most likely waste a lot of product too.
 
I have a PC and it did not git rid of ALL the swirls. The Zaino Z5 did. Not sure if just the Z5 would have covered all of them but it sure took care of what the PC didnt.
 
I've been detailing for 25 years (longer than Jason C has been alive :D) and cannot think of another tool that's a practical and efficient as a pro-quality polisher. Whether its a PC or a rotary you simply cannot get results by hand than you can by machine. $50,000 paint jobs are polished out by machine. $1,000,000+ Ferrari's are polished out by machine. Pebble Beach Concours winners are polished out by machine.



This is the tool REQUIRED if you want the best appearing possible. Bottom line. If you are serious about detailing and car care, you must have a machine. If you lose interest in detailing, you can always sell the machine and get some of your $$ out of it. So its a no brainer from my perspective.
 
bretfraz said:
I've been detailing for 25 years (longer than Jason C has been alive :D) and cannot think of another tool that's a practical and efficient as a pro-quality polisher. Whether its a PC or a rotary you simply cannot get results by hand than you can by machine. $50,000 paint jobs are polished out by machine. $1,000,000+ Ferrari's are polished out by machine. Pebble Beach Concours winners are polished out by machine.



This is the tool REQUIRED if you want the best appearing possible. Bottom line. If you are serious about detailing and car care, you must have a machine. If you lose interest in detailing, you can always sell the machine and get some of your $$ out of it. So its a no brainer from my perspective.



I know this thread is a little old to be replying to it now, but..........



I'm with bretfraz. I've been detailing my own cars, and damn near everyone elses cars in my family, for as long as bretfraz, and he's right - the PC, or it's equal, is just about required for the best appearance for your car. I'm only sorry that I waited so dang long to get one, but now I'll never give mine up. I never got the results by hand that now I get with my PC.
 
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