PO85RE5 vs. OPS

imported_Bence

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Today I had some free time and I decided to do a little shootout. I love great finishing polishes so I thought it would be nice to see PO85RE5 and OPS side-by-side. I finished around 16:30 so light was a bit scarce...



Process:

- ONR wash trunklid and the top of the rear fenders

- Dry with MF

- Products were applied identically; first pass on low profile Menzerna 13.5 cm orange pad by rotary @ 1500 RPMs, second pass Riwax blue 17 cm pad (same pad material as the Menz., only bigger) @ 1500 RPMs.



Pics after IPA wipedown. OPS on driver's side, Menzerna on passenger's.



Thoughts?



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Bence,



It's hard for me tell by the pics. How do you think they looked side by side? I trust your judgement/eye more than I trust the pics. Cool comparison though.:2thumbs:
 
Looks pretty close to me, especially under the light. Kind of hard to tell for sure in the other pics because not the same exact object at the same exact distance show in the reflections.
 
It was rather easy for me to see the differences. In all instances the passenger side looked better. It just seemed clearer to me like the polish broke down and polished out better.



Changeling

FWIW, I have an absolutely awesome monitor.
 
Forgot to add, the "Light" pictures were impossible to detect anything, I don't see those to pictures contributing anything.

Changeling
 
Changeling said:
It was rather easy for me to see the differences. In all instances the passenger side looked better. It just seemed clearer to me like the polish broke down and polished out better.



Changeling

FWIW, I have an absolutely awesome monitor.



rather easy? you must have superman eyes. i have a dell 27" wide aspect, then i put it on my 50" LCD 1080p HDTV and I can't make out any (substantial) differences. you must be a menzerna fan?
 
These are 2 completely different products with 2 different functionalities (sp?).

Am i right?

If i am (im probably not) then comparing the 2 dosent make any sense.
 
Hard to tell by the pictures, but I prefere a polish without protection. Unless I need to to a "quickie", then I do like these kind of products.



Must try the OPS, think I am going to order a bottle when Optimum realeses their new sealant.
 
Changeling said:
It was rather easy for me to see the differences. In all instances the passenger side looked better. It just seemed clearer to me like the polish broke down and polished out better.



Changeling

FWIW, I have an absolutely awesome monitor.



You must have super abilities to be able to deduce from pictures what MOST wouldn't be able to do in person. :up
 
gbackus said:
You must have super abilities to be able to deduce from pictures what MOST wouldn't be able to do in person. :up



I couldn't tell the difference if the picture was taken in RAW format. The difference is likely something that could only be seen in person.
 
Sooo...



After the recent Menz/Opt talks, I decided to do this comparo to update my mental files. Out came the rotary, new pads and towels.



I’ve never used the Menzerna pads and I was surprised that even the orange finishing pad felt stiff as a light cutting pad from other manufacturers. Menzerna has only three pads; a wool cutting pad, a hard, white polishing pad and this orange one.



The OPS went on buttery smooth and left a beautiful surface. Using it at 1500 RPMs was natural for the product and the OPS has darkened the finish slightly, but noticeably.

The PO85 was stickier in comparison, and its gloss level was excellent – but not any greater than the OPS. Without the darkening effect it can be judged as brighter, but it is rather the paint’s very own, unaltered look – wonderfully clear and glossy. BUT... OPS is simply on the same level – just with a very subtle difference. Percentually, these nuances are too small to be really obvious, as they are practically unidentifiable, undistinguishable side-by-side for most people. I don’t know if it was the higher-than-usual speed for the OPS or the stiff, but fine pad, but at the end it provided spectacular results as well.



I could detect very faint soiling marks on the pad on the OPS side (showing the very effective cleaning) as it pulled the tiniest dirt particles from the paint. These cleaners would prohibit a good filling action and the IPA wipedown revealed NO concealing at all. It was funny to see the IPA beading initially on the OPS side though.

The pads on the PO85 side were absolutely clean, pristine and the surface squeaked wonderfully – even sophisticated.



Subjectively, I liked the OPS side better for its better color depth. Clarity and definition was practically the same, so be brave and dare to use OPS with more enthusiasm and give it more speed. The PO85RE5 is also a wonderful finishing polish but ultimately it lacked the ultimate edge – as I expected to be clearly better than the OPS. From flatter angles it *may* has a sharpness advantage, but head-on they looked far too similar.



They perform basically at the same very high level, but for me the ease of use of the OPS, combined with longer working time, no residue, buttery tactile feel, a darker finish – PLUS a good sealant layer is a clear winner.



PO85RE5 gives a true finish, wonderful gloss and works very quickly, but its tackier tactile action, shorter working time and some residue to remove narrows the pure enjoyment a bit. However, for squeakophiles and glossophiles it is perfect.



So we have two products, which are very different, yet too similar in their true nature. Both can refine and burnish the finish to an unbelievable level, providing ultra sharp reflections and fantastic liquid shimmer. I expected more difference, but it didn’t happen. Therefore they are both permanent fixtures in my arsenal. :D
 
:eek: IPA was actually beading on the Poli-Seal side?!!



What sort of effort did you need to break down the protective qualities?
 
Scottwax said:
:eek: IPA was actually beading on the Poli-Seal side?!!



What sort of effort did you need to break down the protective qualities?



Yep, as I sprayed it on the surface and wiped with a foam app, it showed the typical "liquid on a protected surface" behavior. Of course it was not too pronounced. On the PO side, the IPA simply wetted the surface uniformly.



PS: you just have to continue wiping and it will release the protection.
 
Nice review. Maybe one day I'll try OPS. I obtained better results with 106FF than 85RE5.

I used on many details this Menzerna PADs. I like the orange one for polishing, but I prefer softer one for finishing.

Regards Bence !!
 
My PO106FA must arrive next week. Yes, the pad is a good one-stepper. Stiff initially, cuts quite nicely, but softens up and finishes absolutely hologram free. It is the fourth on the subjective softness-scale. My Riwax finessing pad is unbelievably soft, like velvet. It has extremely small pores.
 
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