PO85RD (SF4500) and KAIO

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carter21

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So I'm about to detail a medium blue Maserati Spyder. I'd like to use PO85RD as the last step (polish) since this is my fun car. My question is how do I work PO85RD into my detail when I'm also planning on using KAIO as prep for KSG? My concern is that if I use a black (or HT Crimson pad) with PO85RD that I will then induce light marring or swirls if I use KAIO with a white pad (or black Pad) as I typically do. At the very least I'm concerned that the KAIO will negate some of the benefits of my PO85RD step.

Any suggestions on how to use both of these products together? I have all colors of LC pads and a few others as well.

For those curious the KSG will be topped with CG 5050 wax for some extra warmth.
Thanks
 
Using the PO85RD with a black foam finishing pad on your dual action or rotary polisher to bring out the max gloss and most clarity of the surface that one just polished and it won't put swirls on the paint either. KAIO is part of the two-part system. KAIO is a one-step cleaner type product and it wipes away existing wax, road films, very light light oxidation and some minor swirls. The polish that is use in the KAIO improves surface gloss before you put the Sealant Glaze on. If your using the Klasse system then IMO there's no need to use PO85RD but it doesn't hurt either .
 
carter21 said:
So I'm about to detail a medium blue Maserati Spyder. I'd like to use PO85RD as the last step (polish) since this is my fun car. My question is how do I work PO85RD into my detail when I'm also planning on using KAIO as prep for KSG? My concern is that if I use a black (or HT Crimson pad) with PO85RD that I will then induce light marring or swirls if I use KAIO with a white pad (or black Pad) as I typically do. At the very least I'm concerned that the KAIO will negate some of the benefits of my PO85RD step.

Any suggestions on how to use both of these products together? I have all colors of LC pads and a few others as well.

For those curious the KSG will be topped with CG 5050 wax for some extra warmth.
Thanks
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After correction (compound?) finish down with 85RD (SF4500) skip the Klasse all together, Eraser or IPA wipe down and CG 50/50 only because it's a garage queen.
 
So I guess my question was how do I use KAIO after PO85RD without diminishing the work I did with PO85RD. Is the consensus that using KAIO and KSG before my final wax will diminish the quality of the detail? This car is a garage queen but I don't mind doing the extra work with KAIO and KSG if it adds some extra appearance.
 
carter21- People here have reported diminished gloss when they used KAIO after PO85RD (I've never used the Menzerna before KAIO so no first-hand experience). This has happened often enough to enough people that I wouldn't try to use both products on the car.

IMO the primary reason to use KSG is that, **if heavily layered**, it can provide some pretty incredible protection. Do you need that on this vehicle?


IF you decide to make KSG your choice for the LSP (well, the Penultimate Step Product in this case as you're using a wax topper) then I'd either skip the PO85RD or skip the KAIO. I'd fully expect KSG to bond to (truly) "bare" paint, and/but that'd mean making 100% certain that you remove the PO85RD's polishing oils, which might be a challenge (NO, KAIO does not strip polishing oils IME).
 
PO85D is supposedly free of oils, silicone or any fillers so I supposed skipping AIO and then using KSG is an option. The truth is I'm likely fine without the additional protection and will just plan on waxing the Maserati more often. I mean things do get a lot more complicated once you top because you can't just add additional layers of sealant down the road.
 
If you want a sealant, why not just use a sealant? I'm lost on why you would use a fine finishing polish, and then polish it again with an AIO. Why not just get/use some PL or other sealant of your choice?
 
I was only planning on using KAIO because most seem to recommend it before applying KSG and that's the only sealant I have. I don't really want to buy another sealant.

I'll see tomorrow night when I start polishing how the paint responds. Maseratis can be very inconsistent (car to car) with paint hardness so I won't really know until I start polishing. I've read that some have soft paint while others have very hard paint. The car is currently a mess as the previous owner never seemed to wash it properly and there are several larger nicks.
 
carter21 said:
PO85D is supposedly free of oils, silicone or any fillers so I supposed skipping AIO and then using KSG is an option. The truth is I'm likely fine without the additional protection and will just plan on waxing the Maserati more often. I mean things do get a lot more complicated once you top because you can't just add additional layers of sealant down the road.
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Can you show me where it's stated by Menzerna that their PO85rd or SF4500 is free of oils?
 
Rsurfer said:
Can you show me where it's stated by Menzerna that their PO85rd or SF4500 is free of oils?
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Sorry I misspoke. Looking at the bottle it says "contains no silicone wax or fillers". It might very well have oil. I'm not enough of an expert on this stuff, but my thoughts were that it left nothing behind to interfere with binding. I would love know if other have more info on this.
 
carter21- This isn't first-hand as my PO85RD is still sitting unused on the shelf...where it'll proabably remain in large part because of all the posts here about the polishing oils in it:
-supposed to "work it until it looks like clear salad oil" as one member put it
-"strip the oils and inspect, repeat until the stripping doesn't show a decrease in gloss" presumably because the oils can make things look better than they are

Those sort of caveats simply killed my enthusuiasm for the PO85RD, and once I tried HD Polish, well...that was that.

So when you use the Menzerna, I'd sure have a plan to strip the oils, and I've found some polishing oils to be incredibly tencious.
 
Just to add another $.02, KAOI is KSG with a chemical cleaner. There's nothing 'wrong' with polishing paint to perfection and then using KAIO and/or multiple coats of KSG. However, having 'said' that, I feel KAIO/KSG are more for protection than a high gloss shine. I always thought it gave a look of a plastic like coating for me, but not the high gloss shine like that of a carnuba. Since we're talking about a garage queen that likely needs more shine than protection, we might take a different approach to get more pop.
Some report that applying a true wax over a sealant results in more shine, but I'm uncertain if it's more than the wax would produce by itself (and possibly less).
 
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