Pinnicle XMT Intermediate swirl removal kit

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imported_Jakerooni

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So I just got my kit from the UPS guy. Went with the Kit plus all the pads from Autogeek. Here's my question?? Why did nobody tell me just how friggen aggressive the orange pad was? Holy heck I've been detailing for a good number or years but this thing burned right through my paint in half a heatbeat. I couldn't even damage my paint like that will wool. Lucky enough for me I have various test body panels to try out all new product that comes into the shop before I let them actually touch clients cars so I know how they react. The orange pad on my makita with the intermidate swirl removal (speed was around 1200-1500 rpms) made the paint actually bubble up and burn in less than a second. I've never seen anything like it in the detail world.



After that little incident though I continued on through the rest of the products and pads to see what the effects were and wow I must say I'm extreamly impressed so far with the shine and luster. I was leary about trying new products but this one seems to be a hit. (just gotta watch that orange pad combo)
 
That's quite unusual, I've used XMT 1-3 on yellow and orange with a Makita and never had that to happen, I've corrected with an orange pad down to LSP ready many times.
 
You can't put that on the product, if you hold a pad in the same area too long with a rotary that pads going to do that damage. xmt line is very user friendly and great for learning.
 
This has gotten into my head now as I have the same kit coming today. I am going to be using a Bosch 1250DEVS. Am I safe? I am new to this. I have watched every video Pinacle has abut application and would like to do some swirl/lght scratch removal. Thoughts??
 
Oh trust me I can most definatly put this on the product or the pad either way. It wasn't even on the area for a second before the paint literally bubbled up. Way back in the day when I was first learning the craft I've scortched a couple spots here and there but I've never ever seen paint just bubble up like it was melting off. That's defiantly NOT a OE issue. I know very well how to wheel out a panel. Been doing it for almost 15 years and this I will say hands down this is a first for me. This is a expeirment for me though to broaden my horizons and exand myself as a more rounded detailer. I've never had any faith in foam pads before because basically when they first came out (or I was first introduced to them) they really rather sucked. And there was just no way to do any sort of "real" correction with cheesy foam pads. So I never really gave foam pads a second thought. I've always had them around for like a final glaze polish on a dark vechile but I'd say 99% of the time they just sat in the back of the pad box untouched.



So I really started reading on the new technology and convinced myself to take the plunge and embrace some new technology here. Hence the experiment with new products and I said what the heck lets try some of these new foam pads. Well the orange pad seriously feels like a block of wood Not sure if this is how it's supposed to feel but... I sprayed it down with a little QD spray and tried it out. I'm not saying I did it right. I'm not saying I did it wrong. All's I know is I did way to aggressivly apparently. But like I said it was on a test panel (car fender I have here lying around) For all I know the paint itself could be seriously flawed. I think it's from a mid 80's buick so the possibilty is definatly there.



All in all though I still stand by my descision and I am very happy with the way the product performs. Smooth as a baby's but and shine to no end on the finished result. I just have to make sure to take baby steps on this new stuff. And I think I'm going to continue the expeirment with even more products as time passes. While I get great results with my normal "boutique" selections I find myself unable to participate in the alot of the discussions on this board due to the fact that I (and anyone I've personally known as a detailer) have never even heard of 95% of these products until I came on here.
 
Well Jake I don't know what to tell you other than orange pad create heat and the xmt most likely had nothing to do with your incident. This probably wouldve happened regardless what primed the pad. Do you not start your machine below 900 rpm's? xmt 4 isn't anymore aggressive than many often used products. It's just really odd this happened to you, I'd like to know exactly why sees how that line stays nice n lubricated for a long time.
 
yea I think it was more pad than product really on this one. And I think it's XMT3 Not sure if there's a huge difference between 3 and 4 but I digress. And for this expeirment I used the makita insted of my trusty dewalt. ( I really can't stand how the makita performs) it started at 600rpms and gradually builds up to around 1200 rpms. But my dewalt starts at a 1000rpms so I didn't really think it would be good to start out so fast. I think maybe for the time being I'll just use the Orange Pad on the D/A instead of the rotary.
 
Jake, do this: try XMT #3 on the orange pad again, this time on a different paint. You're thinking it's the pad- makita- xmt - etc, I'm thinking you got some funky paint dude. Even I - klutz that I am and have rolled up and roughed up a bit of paint in my day - have a hard time with visualizing this, I mean, a few seconds??
 
I love my Makita, it's funny how so many of us get so use to our machines, that's important though, and a good sign. xmt3 has great correction abilities but really isn't all that aggressive. I would like to think junebug hit it on the head, hopefully you're dealing with one of those rarely seen paintjobs that would cause this to occur.
 
Well I've having some really good results on this saturn daily driver with the XMT3 and a white pad. Thought I was going to have to pull out the sythetic cutting creme again but it seem to correct it nicely with just that combo. Still a little leary on putting the orange pad to a customers car just yet. I'll see if I can find something else to experiment on first.
 
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