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Is there any value in using cleansing lotion before AIO in new car stiuation? Compare & contast each product. I am debating whether or not to get the pinnacle product for new car paint.
Pinnacle cleansing lotion & AIO
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Id say no. Reason being that AIO as you know contains cleaners and polishes to clean away mild oxidation, swirls and old wax, grime. Pinnicle is also a mild, low-abbrasive cleaner so using it is kinda pointless. What I would use before AIO is clay if the surface is really contaminated, and a heavy abrasive cleaner if the surface ios really bad, but my oppinion, Pinnicle is a waste of time and money before AIO. -Brad
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Steve, This a theoretical question. I want to understand the use of each product before buying. A couple of friends have asked me to do their cars. They range from light to dark. All have light to heavy swirl marks, the result of poor washing technique. I currently have AIO FI2 & some Meguirs stuff (didn't work 4 me). From reading this forum I was getting the impression that AIO and FI2 might be too aggressive for new paint (3-8mths old). Hope this helps.
FI2 is too agressive for new paint but not AIO. Pinnicle Cleansing lotion is a very low abrasive chemicle cleaner which used citric acids to clean the paint. AIO uses a mildly abrasive polish to clean the paint but is completely safe to use on new paint. For both colored cars, I would eiher use FI2 or Perfect It 3 Machine Glaze to help with most of the swirls. Then AIO will finish up by cleaning and polishing away the possible haze from FI2. Then any swirls left behind (there shouldn't be many), will be covered up nicely by the klasse sealer and glaze (3 coats is best) Maybee top with blitz to bring a deep wetness to the dar car and a nice color warmth to the lighter car. -Brad
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Finesse It isn't too aggressive for new paint. The moderator of this forum used it on his then brand new Audi S4.
You don't really have to worry about abrasiveness until you get into the realm of rubbing compounds and/or using buffers; with that said you must use your head and not work on a single spot for 30 minutes!
We see tons of people using 3M SMR 39009 with little or no results. If your friends paint have medium to heavy swirls, that stuff ain't gonna cut it (literally). And I doubt their paint has ever been polished before, so there isn't any problems with using a more abrasive product.
Perfect It Fine-Cut Rubbing Compound is a great product, as long as you don't do it often. It can be used by hand or machine, and will give results.
You don't really have to worry about abrasiveness until you get into the realm of rubbing compounds and/or using buffers; with that said you must use your head and not work on a single spot for 30 minutes!
We see tons of people using 3M SMR 39009 with little or no results. If your friends paint have medium to heavy swirls, that stuff ain't gonna cut it (literally). And I doubt their paint has ever been polished before, so there isn't any problems with using a more abrasive product.
Perfect It Fine-Cut Rubbing Compound is a great product, as long as you don't do it often. It can be used by hand or machine, and will give results.
Im with Beau, Swirl marks will always exist on your car in some form, weither you choose to cover them up by Glazing or reduce their appearence by polishing, they are always gonna be there. IMHO Klasse really isn't the best thing to use to remove swirl marks, the 3M products are much better designed to do these tasks. I personally use 3M SMR and I takes me literally 2+ hours to do the hood my car, the process is very slow, so i highly doubt im taking off much very paint when I use SMR (2x per year), with that in mind im sure you could use Perfect-it fine cut rubbing compound and be safe, in addition to the AIO.
Are we talking about FI 2 rubbing compound or FI 2 finishing glaze... i agree that AIO isn't really formulated for removing swirls and that swirl mark removers either work too slow or dont produce great results, I'm a little new to 3M and I appolagize to SimDar for giving you the wrong info -Brad
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Brad, Finesse-It 2 Finishing Material #05928
Steve, I don't understand why you would spend 2hrs on just your hood why not switch to a slightly more aggressive product like FI2. You say you are not removing alot of paint but as far as i understand in order to remove a swirl mark you need to level the surface around the mark.
You can do this with 10 passes of an abrasive product or 1000 with a less abrasive product. In the end you achieve the same result. The advantage with the less abrasive product is that it may allow you to minimize the likelihood of damaging the paint.
This is what I understand. Pls correct any of my stinking thinking. (where appropriate!)
Steve, I don't understand why you would spend 2hrs on just your hood why not switch to a slightly more aggressive product like FI2. You say you are not removing alot of paint but as far as i understand in order to remove a swirl mark you need to level the surface around the mark.
You can do this with 10 passes of an abrasive product or 1000 with a less abrasive product. In the end you achieve the same result. The advantage with the less abrasive product is that it may allow you to minimize the likelihood of damaging the paint.
This is what I understand. Pls correct any of my stinking thinking. (where appropriate!)
Dude its all good, were here to learn, not to proclaim that we know all there is no know about Detailing cars (cuz i sure dont)! 
In my post i was refering to 3M Swirl-Mark Remover, I think the real thing with the 3M products (at least SMR) is that good results take time and perseverance, which is why I really dont think polish such as the 3M line would hurt a new car's finish (if used correctly with common sense). Rubbing compound is another story, cuz its harsher for removing scratches, etc.
In my post i was refering to 3M Swirl-Mark Remover, I think the real thing with the 3M products (at least SMR) is that good results take time and perseverance, which is why I really dont think polish such as the 3M line would hurt a new car's finish (if used correctly with common sense). Rubbing compound is another story, cuz its harsher for removing scratches, etc.
My last post was 4 Brad....
To answer SimDar's question....since I only polish my car 2x a year, i like to take the time and slowly remove the swirl marks, rather than using something more aggressive, granted in the end I would probably acheive the same results in less time but, but for the two times a year I polish my ride id rather do it slowly and get it done right, because a wise man once told me: "Sometimes slower is faster in the end.".
To answer SimDar's question....since I only polish my car 2x a year, i like to take the time and slowly remove the swirl marks, rather than using something more aggressive, granted in the end I would probably acheive the same results in less time but, but for the two times a year I polish my ride id rather do it slowly and get it done right, because a wise man once told me: "Sometimes slower is faster in the end.".