PB's S&W and ONR @ QD Strength

[NSXTASY]

To be technical, isn't using ONR in a bucket a RINSLESS wash not a waterless wash??

To be technical, PB S&W/CG ONE, aren't waterless, they do contain water, but....yeah.



ONR would likely work fine at QD strength or stronger to wipe down a dusty car, but, if I were looking for a "waterless" wash, I think I'd use ONE.



To answer your question, I don't see how PB S & W can be used to wipe down a dirty car with a clean MF as safe as a normal wash would. In this regard, I really don't see how its much different than ONR QD+ dilution other than marketing (I haven't used, nor have, PB S&W, so its just a guess) That being said, the ease of use and relative quickness may trump the possibility of marring. Obviously, its your call.

 

[budman3]

Maybe you should try stuff before commenting against it ...



I have not used ONR in a spray bottle yet but I don't see why it wouldn't work like S&W. I do wonder what will happen using it at a stronger dilution than in a wash bucket. Will it be detrimental to the LSP?? There really isn't much of difference between ONR in a bucket or in a spray bottle, IMO. As long as you keep your towels clean, I don't foresee it marring.



Poorboy's Spray and Wipe is a great product. It acts like a QD but has great cleaning abilities. I'm no scientist but after using it, I can tell you that the dirt gets encapsulated by the product and when wiped, not rubbed, off it is safely removed from the paint with a clean microfiber towel. No marring. Using 1 MF towel when folded you can get 8 clean parts of the towel which could be used on 1/2 the car, in the right conditions. The dirtier the car, the more product and more towels are needed. Using a traditional wash, dirt is still rubbed into the paint by whatever washing tool you use. If that tool is abrasive, it will marr the paint. A MF towel, as everyone knows, is very soft and safe on paints. Using a long knap towel for S&W will further reduce the risk of marring with S&W. It is possible to marr with S&W but that is generally only because there wasn't enough product used, the MF towel is dirty or if the paint is rubbed not wiped (be gentle). If you don't want to take my word for the safeness and effectiveness of this product, check out these picturs from blkyukon - A dirty black Chevy, under halogens, cleaning with S&W:

And to comment about using CG One vs. S&W... CG One has fillers and clay in it... so if the product were inducing marring, you wouldn't know it until the product wears off. If I made a mistake and accidently marred with a waterless wash, I would like to know about it ... not hide it. S&W is a pure cleaner, no protection or clay or whatever.

 

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

Maybe you should try stuff before commenting against it ...

No thanks I don't use QD on dirty paint... have at it though...lol



Call it what you want, it's still a QD...



Don't you think if it was acceptable to spray on a dirty finish and wipe off as a wash Opt would have exploited that feature... unless you know more than those who formulated it:doh

I have not used ONR in a spray bottle yet but I don't see why it wouldn't work like S&W.

Wow, using the two above quotes you just contradicted yourself...:goodjob

 

[BuffMe]

What I really think the bottom line here is... who cares? If you use something as a "QD" at a different strength and it works for you - cool! If not - cool! This site is about what works for each individual; not that there is a clear right and wrong method for anything. Until there is some evidence in either favor of one of these two solutions/methods causing damage, I'm not sure what is being argued.... oh wait, yes I do... opinions.



Next subjects... religion and politics! :laugh:

 

[budman3]

Motorcity my post was directed to other members, not to yourself, if you thought that.



If ONR as a rinseless wash is used at 1 oz for every 2 gallons of water, and the QD strength is much stronger which could either be a good or bad thing. It would be good if the extra ONR encapsulates the dirt making it easy and safe to remove. However, it seems a little strong and could be detrimental to the LSP. ONR is a car wash concentrate, not a QD... The cleaning agents in the ONR is what removes the dirt safely, and these are not found in QDs. I think the name ONR at QD strength isn't good wording...



When I get a chance in the near future I'll have to test ONR at QD strength side by side with S&W and report back... so Bert31 can get his original question answered.



Oh yeah, I said not to knock a product until you try one (which I was directing at nsxtasy about S&W). I was making an educated guess, not knocking a product I have 0 experience with.

 

[BigJimZ28]

When I get a chance in the near future I'll have to test ONR at QD strength side by side with S&W and report back...

that would be great thanks

 

[Bert]

When I get a chance in the near future I'll have to test ONR at QD strength side by side with S&W and report back... so Bert31 can get his original question answered.

Thanks BM3:woot2:



I actually just ordered some S&W myself a few hours ago so I could do the same test.:rofl



I have been planning to go to the junk yard to buy a black hood so I could practice with my new Makita rotary. I guess once I get polishing process with a rotary down and the black hood is swirl free, I will tape off the hood and practice ONR, S&W and whatever else I think of.

 

[budman3]

Take a trip to a local body shop- most of the time they have a dumpster of scrap panels free for the taking. A phone call would be a good idea just to make sure its ok. I've done that 2 times. When I finished 'playing' on the panel I took it back.



Hopefully by this weekend I can post some pictures up... there's plenty of dirt and salt to clean off the vehicles. Now if the weather could cooperate...

 

[NSXTASY]

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Oh yeah, I said not to knock a product until you try one (which I was directing at nsxtasy about S&W). I was making an educated guess, not knocking a product I have 0 experience with.

Reading PWNS you.

 

[spotter]

YMMV but in my experience both S&W and ONR are great products. Personally I would never use S&W to wash my car. I consider it to be the absolute best cleaning QD I have ever used plus I like the smell. Concentrated ONR used as a QD is IMHO very comparable as a QD to the S&W. I think both are safe and effective at removing dust and even minor road splash on rocker panels and wheels. Although I would rate S&W a slight favorite I can't justify paying several times more for it than ONR QD solution.



I know that ONR as a wash solution is safe and very cost effective. I am not sure about S&W as a wash solution on anything other than very minor dust/dirt and it is definitely not cost effective.

 

[Bert]

Maybe you should try stuff before commenting against it ...



I have not used ONR in a spray bottle yet but I don't see why it wouldn't work like S&W. I do wonder what will happen using it at a stronger dilution than in a wash bucket. Will it be detrimental to the LSP?? There really isn't much of difference between ONR in a bucket or in a spray bottle, IMO. As long as you keep your towels clean, I don't foresee it marring.



Poorboy's Spray and Wipe is a great product. It acts like a QD but has great cleaning abilities. I'm no scientist but after using it, I can tell you that the dirt gets encapsulated by the product and when wiped, not rubbed, off it is safely removed from the paint with a clean microfiber towel. No marring. Using 1 MF towel when folded you can get 8 clean parts of the towel which could be used on 1/2 the car, in the right conditions. The dirtier the car, the more product and more towels are needed. Using a traditional wash, dirt is still rubbed into the paint by whatever washing tool you use. If that tool is abrasive, it will marr the paint. A MF towel, as everyone knows, is very soft and safe on paints. Using a long knap towel for S&W will further reduce the risk of marring with S&W. It is possible to marr with S&W but that is generally only because there wasn't enough product used, the MF towel is dirty or if the paint is rubbed not wiped (be gentle). If you don't want to take my word for the safeness and effectiveness of this product, check out these picturs from blkyukon - A dirty black Chevy, under halogens, cleaning with S&W:



And to comment about using CG One vs. S&W... CG One has fillers and clay in it... so if the product were inducing marring, you wouldn't know it until the product wears off. If I made a mistake and accidently marred with a waterless wash, I would like to know about it ... not hide it. S&W is a pure cleaner, no protection or clay or whatever.

Would S&W be OK to use before applying a sealant? Or is something left behind after using S&W (that is fine in most cases) that would deter the sealant from bonding?

 

[budman3]

S&W is a pure cleaner. What you see after S&W is whats left of your LSP (or bare paint after polishing -- which I haven't tried yet... I wonder if it'll work like an alcohol wipedown ...), no protection or gloss enhancing agents.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

S&W is a pure cleaner. What you see after S&W is whats left of your LSP (or bare paint after polishing -- which I haven't tried yet... I wonder if it'll work like an alcohol wipedown ...), no protection or gloss enhancing agents.

You would get a huge argument about that statement from a lot of people.

 

[Bert]

S&W is a pure cleaner. What you see after S&W is whats left of your LSP (or bare paint after polishing -- which I haven't tried yet... I wonder if it'll work like an alcohol wipedown ...), no protection or gloss enhancing agents.

OK. Since S&W doesn't marr, I assumed it has tons of lubricants in it which would be left on the paint even after wiping.

 

[Jrichards4]

I just ordered up a bottle of S&W and I am excited to be able to clean my vehicles without having to use my hose in the freezing cold. I hope this product is as good as everyone makes it out to be.

 

[BigJimZ28]

I just ordered up a bottle of S&W and I am excited to be able to clean my vehicles without having to use my hose in the freezing cold. I hope this product is as good as everyone makes it out to be.

I think you would be much better off with ONR

that is the product with all the hype around here

 

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

I think you would be much better off with ONR

that is the product with all the hype around here

I would agree only if you want to use a bucket full of water/ONR mix...



If you want a "spray" product in my opinion you made a wise choice

 

[Jrichards4]

I think both would be useful but I don't think a bucket of water will work out well in my garage. I would like to be able to heat the garage and clean the vehicles without needing a hose or water source.

 

[Bert]

I think both would be useful but I don't think a bucket of water will work out well in my garage. I would like to be able to heat the garage and clean the vehicles without needing a hose or water source.

I don't have a hose or watersource in my garage, I fill my bucket from my tub and take them out to the garage.

 

[Jrichards4]

I could do that but I don't want a bunch of water all over my garage floor. If I am going to wash with a bucket and water I will just wash it in my driveway.