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ACURA95

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Today I ordered a gallon of Dacp from meguiars and was told to only follow it up with nxt. They said following up with #82 or #80 wasnt really necessary. I spoke with you on the phone a week ago about my possible single stage paint and its condition. Im not sure if you recall. Anyways, are they correct or should I change my order before it ships. Please respond ASAP



By the way the sales staff was very helful and professional.:up



TIA
 
Well, I'll throw in my 2c before Mike jumps in. If you work DACP long enough as directed, it would be possible to go straight to your protectant. Only time you might have to follow up with #82 or other polish is if it was a dark color such as red or black. It would then be possible to see some very fine marring created by the pad (if you used a cutting pad) and or the DACP.
 
overthedge,

Thats what I have, A single stage black car with alot of marring.

Dammit, I knew I should have gone followed with #82 or possibly #80. After I decide to do that and the guy convinced me it wasnt necessary. I think 80 is a pure polish and might be better. Should I call back and change my order before it ships?



TIA



TIA
 
It might be possible. If you start out with a cutting pad to remove the current swirls, you may be able to follow up with DACP and a polishing pad to polish it out. The cutting pad is going to leave some marring. I just assumed you were going to have to start with it. If you work DACP again with a less aggressive pad, you may be able to go straight to your protectant coat. I'm not sure. I know on mine I had to follow with #82 SFP and a polish pad after DACP and a cutting pad. NXT may be able to hide any micro marring that may be left after the first application. I've read enough post on sites that I just followed up with a less aggressive polish.



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I dont mind following with #82, They told me at tech support that there is no need to follow up with anything. I read a couple of threads that said tech support wasnt great. Maybe I should have listened.
 
I did but for the price at napa I can get a gallon for three dollars more. Meguiars was really great and price matched it for me and a gallon came out to around 25 including shipping.
 
If you have a NAPA and you missed the boat on your order then you could always get a 16oz bottle of #9 to have just in case you need it and it shouldn't cost that much.
 
I dont think I missed the boat, I just dont know what to do. If you guys think i should follow with 82 ill do that. I bought a gallon of #83 for pretty much just myself and If im barely going to use it I need to know. Everyone has a different opinion. I dont even know if my paint is too soft for #83.



I just need some feedback before its too late.
 
I bought a quart of #83 locally and that will more than likely last me quite a while.I also bought some #80 as an in between the #83 and #9.For me and having black I need something mild around as I'm sure to need it.I would never think that just having #83 would be enough to cover every situation.
 
It wouldn't hurt to have some #82 or #80 around for those casual touch-ups. You are not going to need DACP everytime you get light marring. Something to think about.
 
I hope I can help out if it's not too late...



The purpose of following the #83 DACP with a second polish is two-fold.





1) One reason is to use less aggressive cleaner/polish to remove any marring left behind by the #83 DACP. Such as these,



M-8232 Swirl Free Polish



Speed Glaze



M-0916 Swirl Remover 2.0





2) The second reason would be to increase gloss and to add more richness to the paint. Meguiar's pure polishes are very rich in polishing oils that add clarity and add richness to the paint to make the color more vibrant. Any of the below would add richness to single-stage black paint.





M-81 Hand Polish




M-07 Show Car Glaze



Deep Crystal Polish





Sorry for the late response, I was given VIP passes for myself and my family to watch SpaceShipOne rocket into space and win 10 Million Dollars!



I just posted some pictures to the above thread... looks like I might get to buff out my first Space Ship next month!



Mike
 
Hey Mike, pleased to “meet� you. :cool:



So I read your post (thanks for which and for all your others, by the way:up ), but I still have questions (what else is new :rolleyes: ).



I take it that the first group are products you’d use if you wanted to accomplish your first reason (post-DACP cleanup), and that the second group are those you’d use for the second reason (richer, glossier, more oils into paint).



Have I got this right? Isn’t there a product that can accomplish both reasons?



Also, in the description of the second group of products, you say:



Originally posted by Mike Phillips
Meguiar's pure polishes are very rich in polishing oils that add clarity and add richness to the paint to make the color more vibrant. Any of the below would add richness to single-stage black paint. [/B]




Does this mean that the products in the second group are the only pure polishes listed, and that the first group are not? Is there an accepted standard for what constitutes "pure" polish?



Thanks Mike,

~3W
 
Thanks for responding Mike,



Im going to call Meguiars in the morning and try to change my order. Im not sure how quickly they ship



Please tell me if this is correct



1 #83 remove swirls, cobwebs, scratches, oxidation etc. 32.oz

2.#80 remove any marring caused by 32oz

3.#7 pure polish to put oils back into paint 16oz

4. Tech Wax



What QD do you recommend inbetween steps. I was looking at final detail, final inspection, or quick detail.



If this is correct it would be really helpful if you could kind of give me the speeds on the pc and how to apply each product.



Thanks again for your help and congrats on the contest. Dont forget the little people :LOLOL
 
ACURA95 said:
Thanks for responding Mike,



Im going to call Meguiars in the morning and try to change my order. Im not sure how quickly they ship



Please tell me if this is correct



1 #83 remove swirls, cobwebs, scratches, oxidation etc. 32.oz

2.#80 remove any marring caused by 32oz

3.#7 pure polish to put oils back into paint 16oz

4. Tech Wax



What QD do you recommend inbetween steps. I was looking at final detail, final inspection, or quick detail.



If this is correct it would be really helpful if you could kind of give me the speeds on the pc and how to apply each product.



Thanks again for your help and congrats on the contest. Dont forget the little people :LOLOL



I'm obviously not Mike, but I am able to reply right now... ;)



I'd say #80 is a great choice to follow-up DACP with. It is slightly more abrasive than #82, but both are pretty mild. #80 has some excellent #7-like polishing oils that leave incredible gloss behind. And it dusts less than #82 in my experience. #80 is awesome.



You might try #81 instead of #7, but really I think you'll find that #80 leaves tons of gloss and that #81 might not do much more after #80. I guess you have single-stage paint, though, so maybe #7 or #3 would be better? The #8x's were created for bc/cc paints. Actually, it's interesting you aren't using the x-Cut products like Fine-Cut then #9 or something. I supposed DACP is plenty versatile, though and would work fine on single-stage paints as well.



IMO, Final Detail (now replaced by Last Touch) is the best bar-none of the QD's. It's also the most economical. I haven't gotten to use Last Touch yet (my labeled spray bottle didn't get included with my order, so it'll hopefully be here this week) but it smells even better than Final Detail did, and probably performs as well or better. :xyxthumbs
 
3Wheeler said:
I take it that the first group are products you’d use if you wanted to accomplish your first reason (post-DACP cleanup), and that the second group are those you’d use for the second reason (richer, glossier, more oils into paint).



Have I got this right?

Yes.



Isn’t there a product that can accomplish both reasons?

Depends on how AR, or Detail Oriented you want to get. You will always obtain your best results by breaking the process up into dedicated procedures with dedicated products.



The best example for this is a Cleaner/Wax. A quality cleaner wax will clean, polish and protect in one step. Using a dedicated cleaner, followed by a dedicated polish, followed by a dedicated pure wax will usually result in a cleaner surface with deep, reflective high gloss finish and typically, more protection.



That's because at the same time the cleaners are cleaning, the polishing oils are polishing and the protection ingredients are protection.



#83 DACP is a Cleaner/Polish. It contains enough diminishing abrasives to tackle a limited amount of surface defects. If Meguiar's were to increase it's cleaning ability, it would be able to tackle a wider spectrum of defects, but would not deliver the same results that a less aggressive cleaner/polish or a pure polish will create which on a dark colored car, (or a dark colored car with a clear coat), will tend to be a more clear, richer looking high gloss finish.



What's Newton's third law of motion?



"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."



Again, the answer to your question depends upon how detail oriented, or AR you want to get. If you're like me, and plenty of other Autopians, then you want to break the process into as many procedures as possible to take your cars finish to it's maximum potential. If you like Joe Consumer, a cleaner/wax will do.



Also, in the description of the second group of products, you say:



*********************



Mike Phillips said:
2) The second reason would be to increase gloss and to add more richness to the paint. Meguiar's pure polishes are very rich in polishing oils that add clarity and add richness to the paint to make the color more vibrant. Any of the below would add richness to single-stage black paint.





M-81 Hand Polish




M-07 Show Car Glaze



Deep Crystal Polish



*********************





Does this mean that the products in the second group are the only pure polishes listed, and that the first group are not? Is there an accepted standard for what constitutes "pure" polish?



Thanks Mike,

~3W



In Meguiar's terminology, there are two types of polishes.



Cleaner/Polishes and Pure Polishes



Meguiar's Cleaner/Polishes contain diminishing abrasives embodied in a thick, rich lubricating base. This high lubricity base cushions, or buffers, the abrading action of the diminishing abrasives. This allows them to abrade gently instead of scratch and scour the surface.



Meguiar's Pure Polishes contain Meguiar's richest concentration of the their trade secret polishing oils. Meguiar's pure polishes are completely non-abrasive and contain no ingredients with the intended purpose of abrading the surface.



I did not include all of Meguiar’s pure polishes in the list above, nor all of their cleaner/polishes. If you would like to learn more about Meguiar’s polishes, I wrote about them at length here,







7. What's the difference between polish and wax? (Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle)




Read down till you hit Step 3 Polishing.



I'll admit I'm biased, but I think the entire FAQ is worth reading.



Meguiar's *NEW* FAQ





Mike
 
ACURA95 said:
I don’t mind following with #82, They told me at tech support that there is no need to follow up with anything. I read a couple of threads that said tech support wasn’t great. Maybe I should have listened.



Actually, Meguiar's Tech Support is the best in the industry. Show me one wax company that goes to the extent that Meguiar's goes to by staffing a Customer Care Hotline help center 6-days a week, 12 hours a day.



These guys get hit with phone calls all day long by a wide variety of people at all skill levels. They do their best to determine your skill level, your car care goals and then answer your questions to the best of their ability. I would guess that the majority of people that call our Customer Care Team are not as wax-savvy[/b] as most Autopians, and in some people eyes, there answers may not match your expectations.



But I know for a fact that out of the thousands of calls they get each week, probably 99.9% of the people that call in get the exact help they were looking for.



It's a hard job, not like digging a ditch hard, but hard in that they understand the person on the other end of the phone is trying hard to get the best results possible from their time, money and efforts. Meguiar's customer care team is just trying to help them accomplish this goal. And just like I, and many others that post to forums often predicate our response,



"Well it's hard to say exactly what you need to do without being there in person to see what you're working on"



(Or something close to that effect) These guys aren’t in your garage looking at your car and then making their recommendations. They are on a phone line.



Just food for thought, remember these guys are car enthusiasts too... Often one or two people from Customer Care will join me at the Saturday detailing clinics to help out,



Here’s T.J? Harmon, demonstrating how to remove scratches out of the clear coat using a rotary buffer. All of the members of Meguiar's Customer Care Team are trained and experienced in all aspects of surface care including wet-sanding, cutting and buffing.



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After removing the unsightly scratches, it looks like T.J. made a friend for life!



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Again, just some food for thought…



Mike
 
ACURA95 said:




By the way the sales staff was very helful and professional.:up






Mike as you can see, I agree with you completely. It must also be very difficult to judge a situation and to give advice without ever seeing it first hand. After getting advice from the meguiars staff, I could see there not phone jockies just reading a script, but are car enthusiasts themselves.



ACURA95 said:
I read a couple of threads that said tech support wasnt great. Maybe I should have listened.



As far as my prior statement, this does not reflex how I really feel. I was just repeating things I read in other threads and was over reacting a bit.



The Meguiars staff has been nothing but top notch and its a real comfort to know theres someone you can call and get quality advice. This is what makes Meguiars stand out among all the rest.:up
 
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