P3000 Ultrafina vs PIII Ultrafina

Good deal. Once I have my own rotary, I'll look into the wave pads, but for now, I'm stuck with the CCS pads. I have the entire line-up, so I should be in good shape. You may have already mentioned this, but what about RPMs with UF/Red...I'm thinking 1k-1200? That sound about right? Also, are you applying it to the pad or are you picking up the bead? Finally, do you run a consistent RPM, or do you move it up and down? Sorry for the questions.



He only wants the exterior, which is nice because I'll be able to dedicate an entire day to the outside. I'll probably start out with IP/white and see how that goes, and then step it up from there. It'd be nice if I could two step it, but I doubt I'll be that lucky.



Thanks again for the assistance, Bee. It always very much appreciated.



SuperBee364 said:
The only difference that I'm aware of is that the wave foam runs a bit cooler. I'm so gun shy with heat and foam pads, that I'll take a few degrees cooler wherever I can.



Also, Greg and I were very surprised at how well the red/UF comibination cleaned up after the mess the 105 left. The paint was sooooo soft, there was no need for an intermediate step; going straight to UF/red cleaned up the mess and left us a gorgeous finish. Honda paint is soft, but i don't know if it's soft enough to pull the same two-step process off. It *might* be, depending on how well you get the 95 to finish down. Looking forward to your CnB on it, Casey!
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EisenHulk said:
Good deal. Once I have my own rotary, I'll look into the wave pads, but for now, I'm stuck with the CCS pads. I have the entire line-up, so I should be in good shape. You may have already mentioned this, but what about RPMs with UF/Red...I'm thinking 1k-1200? That sound about right? Also, are you applying it to the pad or are you picking up the bead? Finally, do you run a consistent RPM, or do you move it up and down? Sorry for the questions.



He only wants the exterior, which is nice because I'll be able to dedicate an entire day to the outside. I'll probably start out with IP/white and see how that goes, and then step it up from there. It'd be nice if I could two step it, but I doubt I'll be that lucky.



Thanks again for the assistance, Bee. It always very much appreciated.
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I apply the UF to the pad, then with the rotary off, spread it out evenly in a "polish box". This allows me to be very precise in the area I'm going to polish. Then I start out at min speed on my Flex (about 1k rpm or so) for two passes, then bump it up to 1.2k for the remaining passes. The instructions say four passes, but I usually make six passes per application. And don't *ever* worry about the questions. :) That's what this place is for!



Alfisti said:
Let's not forget what the original post was about. :up



Are we any closer to an answer? :chuckle:
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:o Sorry. I think the final answer is that even 3M doesn't seem to know. Two people asked the same person, and he gave them each a different answer. I don't think we're gonna get any closer to a real answer than that, really.
 
Once again, thank you. I can't wait to try UF out...I'm already getting anxious. Haha. I'm such a nerd.



Back to the original post (Sorry, Paul) it looks like the difference could the amount of solvent, which it appears is what the VOC is trying to regulate. I'd be willing to bet money that if there really is a difference, it's not going to be significant. Just my dos pesos.



SuperBee364 said:
I apply the UF to the pad, then with the rotary off, spread it out evenly in a "polish box". This allows me to be very precise in the area I'm going to polish. Then I start out at min speed on my Flex (about 1k rpm or so) for two passes, then bump it up to 1.2k for the remaining passes. The instructions say four passes, but I usually make six passes per application. And don't *ever* worry about the questions. :) That's what this place is for!







:o Sorry. I think the final answer is that even 3M doesn't seem to know. Two people asked the same person, and he gave them each a different answer. I don't think we're gonna get any closer to a real answer than that, really.
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Hey Bee..



Does the design of the surface on those wave foam pads cut down on heat? I guess the same question would apply to the So1o diamond pads. I know a lot of time they advertise less heat as a benefit for those non-flat pad designs, but FUNCTIONALLY, have you noticed that to be true?



Drew
 
Honestly, I have no idea, as I have no way of measuring the actual temperature difference. I think I'm just buying into the marketing hype, and taking them at their word when they say that they run cooler. I do know that they are a very smooooth running pad.
 
Accumulator said:
You make the UF sound downright Accumlator-proof with regard to holograms!
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Only two things to remember with Ultrafina:



1. It won't remove severe hologramming.

2. 1000 rpm to spread, 1800 rpm for a couple slow passes with enough pressure to compress the pad (no need to completely flatten it), then ease up and drop down to 1000 rpms to finish.



The only time I've had holograms after UF is when I tried to remove heavy holograms from compounding without an intermediate step (usually Optimum Polish with a black finishing pad @ 1500 down to 1000 rpm.
 
Accumulator said:
I just don't see PakShack violating VOC regs, let alone over something like this.
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I believe the VOC regulations pertain only to California so it might be a product he won't ship to there but the other 49 states are fine. :nixweiss



Has anyone thought to contact Ranney and ask him if he knows the difference?



gben-my local 3M distributor sells me Ultrafina for $30 a quart and pads for $15 each. :)
 
wannafbody said:
a number of states have adopted the VOC laws
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True but are they the stringent California regulations? When Meguiars reformulated some products and discontinued others, they said it was due to California's new regulations. :nixweiss
 
gben-my local 3M distributor sells me Ultrafina for $30 a quart and pads for $15 each. :)[/QUOTE Scott wish I had known..I'd have had you send me some! j/k. It was the least I found it for online ...oh well
 
It's funny to see how many people love UF now. I remember last year when I was one of the very first people on here to try it and love it.



I actually spoke to a very knowledgable person at 3M and found out that the only difference was a certain chemical in it had to be cut down to meet the VOC laws in the US. He said there was no difference between the two as how they work.



It's not called Ultrafina anymore and it is now called Ultrafine polish. 3M has a whole new product line up that was just released last month. Just stay away from there new compound cause it is awful.
 
rydawg said:
I actually spoke to a very knowledgable person at 3M and found out that the only difference was a certain chemical in it had to be cut down to meet the VOC laws in the US. He said there was no difference between the two as how they work.



It's not called Ultrafina anymore and it is now called Ultrafine polish. 3M has a whole new product line up that was just released last month. Just stay away from there new compound cause it is awful.
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Yay!! Thanks rydawg...we got the answer we wanted. :goodjob



3M update too often. :faint:
 
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