P21S vs Liquid Souveran

Jngrbrdman

Jngrbrdman

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Well, since my test last year with P21S and Souveran on how well either one does in the winter, I have been waiting for this winter to hit so I could try the same experiment with Liquid Souveran and see if it does any better than its paste version. :) My goal is to actually try this with several products for comparison. My first test is with LS and P21S. The next tests will include Poorboys, Zaino, Klasse and Platinum. It should keep me busy testing this winter. :)



I just applied the P21S and LS on 11/22/03. They look pretty much the same, obviously. The first thing I have noticed is that the LS side seems to be attracting a little more dust than the P21S side. I'll need to give it more time to build up before I'll know for sure, but that is just my initial impression. We are expecting some nasty weather coming in today so hopefully I'll have some good comparison pictures soon. I did half the back end of my car with P21S and the other half with LS just like before.



The results of the last test were that P21S rinsed cleaner than the paste Souveran. Dirt seemed to stick better to the Souveran side. Its a valuable test if you are looking for a wax that minimizes the appearance of dirt and road spray on your car in the winter. I'll keep ya posted. :bigups I'll be pitting the winner against the next product in true tournament style. ;)
 
Well, the clear winner of this one is P21S. Liquid Souveran wouldn't let anything slide off. It held on to even slush. We had quite the storm today and when I got to work it was amazing how much slush was sticking to the LS side and not the P21S side. Dirt I can understand...but slush??? :eek: LS may be an awesome looking wax, but it certianly isn't very slick when it comes to snow sliding off of it.



As soon as I got home tonight I took a picture of it. Some of the slush had slid off durring the drive home, but you can still see that there is way more of it on the one side than the other. Overall dirt accumulation was pretty much the same. I tested it on the rear bumper, the drivers side rear door, and the drivers side of the front bumper. The front even showed that less slush stuck to it than the LS side.



Anyway, the score is P21S 1 LS 0. They both score high marks in the appearance and application department, but LS is edged out in the slush test. Sorry LS.... Next competitor... Trade Secret vs P21S.
 

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Here is the front. Its still got slush on the P21S side, but the same thing is clear from the back bumper... The LS side has slush still clinging to the areas where it should have slid off by now.
 

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How is slush sliding off representational of how good the wax is? I could put a melting ice cube on my car and well, it wouldn't do anything. I'd just have a car with a melting ice cube.
 
Hey, all I do is run the tests and report the results. Don't ask me for what the results mean. lol All I know is that my experience last winter was that P21S provided a slicker surface that the dirt didn't stick to and that rinsed off easier than with another wax. I didn't have slush sticking to either side last year. This is just saying that after driving in the snow the side with the P21S on it looked better than the other side. Its just saying that if you want your car to look better after driving in the weather then some products can actually help you do that.



The difference between some waxes in the day time at a car show is pretty minimal. I'm doing this so I can find out which wax actually has another advantage for using it in the winter besides for appearance. If P21S is going to keep my car even a little bit cleaner then its worth using in the winter. I don't know why slush stuck to the LS side and not the P21S side, but it tells me that there is an advantage to using P21S in the winter. I'll still use LS, but just not when I'm trying to keep my car clean in the winter.



If I hadn't just washed my car before it snowed then there would have been more to see. That dirt is just from the road spray. The results would be different if it had some time to get a little dusty before it drove out in the streets. I'm sure that in a couple days there will be more of a difference between the two sides. These were just preliminary results.
 
Thanks, Anthony. Very cool test and results. Keep it coming. If nothing else, it keeps us all interested during the nasty winter weather! :bounce
 
Why not just leave a synthetic un-topped then? They generally stay slicker longer than a natural based wax. I understand for appearence purposes LS or S100 would look better, but it's winter after all.
 
The pictures are largely inconclusive to my eyes. But I'll take your word for it. Thanks for the effort you're putting into the tests.



I wouldn't mind trying similar tests, except our winters are normally too cold to facilitate mid-winter detailing & waxing sessions. :(
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
Why not just leave a synthetic un-topped then? They generally stay slicker longer than a natural based wax. I understand for appearence purposes LS or S100 would look better, but it's winter after all.
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Because that's not true. Maybe that is true in the summer time when you run your hand across the car, but in the winter it is a different story. Some will attract and hold dust more than others. That is what I'm trying to find out. I'm not concerned as much about looks. I'm trying to find out if there is anything that can be used that assists in keeping the car cleaner. Its going to get dirty regardless, but if you can put on a coat of wax that minimizes the amount of dirt and crud that stays on your car, then I thought Autopians would want to know about that.



The next day after the slush had melted you could really see the difference. All the dirt the slush was holding was now on the car. The P21S side was still noticably cleaner even though both sides were still dirty. I suppose if Autopia isn't interested in the results of this kind of testing then I'll just keep my findings to myself. I thought it was interesting and I thought other people would think so too. Guess not.... :nixweiss
 
Anthony,



I would like to give my thanks for all the tests that you perform and then give your findings here in Autopia!:bow :bow :bow



Even though I live in Santa Barbara and my winters are pretty mild, I still am always looking for any edge I can get in protecting my automobiles.



I thank you again and look forward to many more of your well written findings!:xyxthumbs
 
Jngrbrdman, If I were you, I'd be very careful with photos that would show your license plate. Did you know any nut-case could find out where you live just by submitting a request form at any DMV or local tag office in the US? Dude, check yourself, don't deck yourself.



Something to think about.:nono :nono
 
My license plate is seen by hundreds of people per day just driving around town. I'm really not concerned about what some crazy guy from New York or Texas or Italy is going to do with my plate number information. More than likely, if my car ever gets stolen then its not going to be because they tracked me down from the internet. My car isn't worth enough for someone to go through that kind of trouble for it.





Thanks Amp. I appreciate it. :bigups
 
Hmm, do you think it's possible that the P21S was dead, and as a result, didn't attract as much slush as the LS? That's why I like using a control section with just prepped paint to compare.
 
Not possible. I just applied it last week. Both coats were less than 5 days old at the time of the photograph. There was nothing else on the areas except clean paint. I prepped prior to application. I didn't want the results to be tainted by the Klasse underneath or anything.
 
Hey Anthony, you outta throw Blitz into the mix for your winter test ;)



Talk about a nice looking wax coupled with the protection / longevity factor.



I did my white Honda yesterday with AIO, Insulator Wax topped with Blitz. The surface was so immaculate, the Blitz went on and off like P21s! I'm set for the winter!
 
Yup. Blitz is definitely on the list. :bigups That has long been my favorite winter wax just for the durability factor. When I first noticed that P21S ends up looking cleaner it just piqued my curiosity. I plan on testing P21S against Trade Secret, Blitz, and PPG. I also want to test the sealants against each other. Platinum, Zaino, Blackfire, Klasse and #20 are the ones I have access to. The testing seems to be more effective on the back end of the car so my next job is just to prep it all again and put the Klasse back on all except for the back end.
 
I've just come to accept my car is going to get dirty in the winter, personally. Have you thought about therapy? There are many options in the world. :p



I have problems.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
I've just come to accept my car is going to get dirty in the winter, personally. Have you thought about therapy? There are many options in the world. :p



I have problems.
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Therapy? Detailing and trying out as many products as I can is my therapy!



Honestly, few things beat having a nice day to spend working on your car to help rid yourself of some stress and to escape for a while. It's my Yoga!
 
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