Optic Coat Pro 2.0 on BRZ....Massive Swirls and Failed water test. (Video)

ShaneB said:
Soooooooo improper prep work leading to poor product performance isn't the mistake of the installer but reflects poor quality of the product used???

Still not seeing where there was a "lack of hydrophobic protection" on that hood... could you explain in more detail?
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why is the product never to blame when someone does not like OC but the blame is put on the detailer....maybe it was the detailer or maybe OC didnt do as advertised or even maybe the customer washed the car wrong...who really knows. All I know that it had tons of contamination, heavy swirls and it did poorly in the water test I did. If thats the so call protection from heavy claims you want...feel free. Ill stick with what works in my enviroment and when my customers stop by the shop to say hi...I always do a water test and show them...I love when they smile.
 
So some hack messed up a opti coat job, and you blame the product.....:rockon

Now John have you used opti coat yourself?
 
By all means stick with what works for you. But just because something works for you and your only experience with OC is from a hack detailer who obviously doesn't understand the importance of prep work, doesn't mean you have to bash a product and make it seem like its worthless.

Many people are on these forums to learn things about detailing a car (myself being one of them). There are MANY helpful minds on here who know their stuff about detailing. Some weekend warriors, some do it for a living on a daily basis. IMO it reflects very poorly on you to basically call these guys out and say they were "led blindly concerning OC" when some of them talk from personal experience having used a product themselves and experienced firsthand how it works and holds up when PROPERLY applied. Maybe just go with "OC isn't for me" rather than going on a rant about your experience with someone else's work.

I feel bad for your customers and your "water test" that you mislead them with. Sheeting the water over the area you just coated and comparing it to beading water elsewhere isn't showing anything. They smile because they don't know any better. Show some integrity and don't mislead your customers.
 
dd1101 said:
So some hack messed up a opti coat job, and you blame the product.....:rockon

Now John have you used opti coat yourself?
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No and I dont plan on it. From what Ive seen..it does not impress me. Ive sure its a good product but its marketed as a end all product and I know its not that at all.
 
I have Opticoat on 2 cars I own and maintain. They are both DD and I would do it again and suggest it to people who want less maintenance and extreme east cleaning coupled with great looks. Nothing sticks and it shines like mad.

Only sown side for me is the lack of super slickness but that is fine for the mar resistance and easy cleaning. My applications was last July of 2012. I also had 1 car professionally done and I was watching / learning and did the 2nd myself. Results are equal.

For the right application Opticoat is a winner. So are other products for the right application. I was loving EXO v1 before my car to destroyed by the storm. Until I get time to spend a weekend on the new on I am permanoning it.
 
Reflectiveauto said:
I feel bad for my customer that he paid around $800 for a exterior detail that took him about 4 hours. Heavy contamination, swirls and lack of hydrophobic protection...I though OC was supposed to stop this since its Permanent? Btw just got off the phone with the customer just a bit ago and asked how his car is holding up after his protection detail had about 2 weeks ago with all the rain lately and he said he was truely pleased with the rain just rolling off....something that never happened with OC Pro 2.0 when it was on his brz.
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Well I'm glad he's happy, but you knocking a product that you haven't even tried yet doesn't make you look like a winner. Optimum is a really reputable company that makes a lot of good products, and I encourage you to give them a shot. And if it still doesn't work for you and you aren't pleased with them then you can start running your flapper. In the business world or anywhere when you start talking negative about anything and going out of your way to knock something, it just makes you look just as bad. Stay positive, do good work, and everyone will like you. Now go enjoy your weekend...
 
Reflectiveauto said:
No and I dont plan on it. From what Ive seen..it does not impress me. Ive sure its a good product but its marketed as a end all product and I know its not that at all.
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Let's try and get this straight. You personally have ever used OG/OC, but yet you a going around and bashing it and making outlandish claims about it. You have no real proof that the cars you have seen with OC have been prepped and applied correctly.

I will agree that any detailer that can "buff & apply OC" as part of a detail in 4 hours is more than likely cutting corners and thus the results would not surprise me.

OC/OG is not and should not be marketed as an end all be all product that will prevent rock chips and scratches. It is however a coating much like the existing clear coat on your car that has more scratch resistance and will help in care and maintenance of your car. But proper maintenance is still needed. I feel like maybe you should contact Optimum about some of this information as you seem to have been mislead.

The fact that you have not used the product but are making all these accusations and claims really makes you come off as a shill for Nanoskin and unprofessional. That being said it is the reason why you get so much friction from others as you come across in a way I don't think you intend to.
 
TroyScherer said:

Let's try and get this straight. You personally have ever used OG/OC, but yet you a going around and bashing it and making outlandish claims about it. You have no real proof that the cars you have seen with OC have been prepped and applied correctly.

I will agree that any detailer that can "buff & apply OC" as part of a detail in 4 hours is more than likely cutting corners and thus the results would not surprise me.

OC/OG is not and should not be marketed as an end all be all product that will prevent rock chips and scratches. It is however a coating much like the existing clear coat on your car that has more scratch resistance and will help in care and maintenance of your car. But proper maintenance is still needed. I feel like maybe you should contact Optimum about some of this information as you seem to have been mislead.

The fact that you have not used the product but are making all these accusations and claims really makes you come off as a shill for Nanoskin and unprofessional. That being said it is the reason why you get so much friction from others as you come across in a way I don't think you intend to.
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Well said Troy:rockon
 
Ok, last time I say anything else -

We have a "receipt" of work done on a vehicle that apparently has problems.

Did anyone actually "witness" the application of the Product on the vehicle that had the problems?

Did anyone actually "witness" the preparation work and verified it was done to a high standard, and then all surfaces were wiped down with a "correct" product to insure all contamination was removed?

Looks like too many "no's" here, right ?

I personally "know" what Opti-Guard and Coat 2.0 look like and act like after application on properly prepared panels after drying and curing. Yes, the curing takes even longer than the initial curing required to let it outside in the rain, etc..

Have done this over a dozen times, and to 3 of my personal vehicles.

I have researched the Optimum company and find them to be professional and true to their word.

I can only say that based on my personal experiences with this product, after proper preparation including removing as much of the micromarring, swirls, rids, etc., on all these vehicles, wiping down all of them properly to insure as much or all of any other product was removed before careful application per Optimum's recommendation, this product does what the company claims, and even after some of these vehicles have been run through the dang Brown Bear car wash, etc., the Optimum product is still there, it shines like crazy, cleaning is much easier, and there is not a lot of the same defects on the paint as before.

No, this does not make this a miracle, force field on the the paint, but it does cut down by a lot, the amount of work needed to clean the paint, and saved much time, because none of these vehicles now require an acrylic polymer product, wax, etc.., on them after the wash..

Yes, there are other products that came after claiming similar results. And perhaps they are as good or better.. Who knows without years of testing and evaluation..

Optimum started out years ago, and it appears to me that they did their homework because they are still here and this product has so far done really well in my humble opinion..

How about let's think about re-visiting a few of these new products in a few years and see if they are still here??

Dan F
 
ec90 said:
Sound's like OC2.0 was never applied or the prep was incorrect (no IPA wipedown) and never bonded. Even if he washed and dried it horribly, without polishing it the OC should still be on there.

And $800 for a paint correction and opti-coat seems a bit crazy.
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This is what I was thinking.
 
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This car was coated on 8-29-11. The write up can be seen here
Black Audi A5, paint correction & Opti-Guard coating: Rasky's Auto Detailing - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum


Since then the car has been hand washed or seen touch-less washes. The owner has not applied any waxes, sealants, or boosters. The car was re-polished and coated last night as it had accumulated light to moderate swirling over the last 22 months, but as you will see in the video below, after 22 months it was still beading like new. (Video lost sound during the upload???)
Opti-Coat 22 months after application - YouTube

Now there are countless numbers of threads out there showing it's long term durability and I think it's funny how someone can come on here and bash a product without any of their own real world experience. :lol2:


Any questions?
 
Too many people have had too good of an experience with this product (I recently saw a Dodge Charger we applied Opti-Coat to 2.5 years ago and it was STILL beading water with very little marring).

At this point we are beading a dead horse..

Reflective clearly has his opinion.

Others have their varying opinions.

Reflective clearly likes the results HE is able to achieve with NanoSkin, which is great, since they make great products.

Many like the results THEY get from Opti-Coat/Opti-Guard, which is great, because Optimum makes great products as well.

We all agree that nothing lasts for ever, so NOTHING (not even the Universe) is permanent. However, Opti-Coat/Guard is considered a permanent product because as long as the surface it was applied to exists, so will the product.

I really hope this is the last post in this thread because if it continues I will have to focus too much attention on editing posts and less attention on the things you guys want.
 
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