mikenap
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Deleted post...not worth my time to get involved in this.
OPTI-NEWS: Opti-Coat 2.0 is no longer available to the public. OCP is now the only Opti-Coat.
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RaskyR1
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Thomas Dekany said:
There is no law against voicing my opinion on the disapproval of Optimum's changes to the Opti-Coat Pro installers, which is shared by many of the installers. When I checked a week or two AFTER I announced I was dropping Opti-Coat Pro from my offering as a result of the recent changes, on both here and the Authorized Installer Facebook group, I was still listed as an installer on the map. If I've since been removed from that list why on earth would I be upset???
You could check with Corey, but I believe CarPro will remove inactive installers from their list if they don't actually sell anything, that way someone who may want to be an installer and actually sell the product in that area can, since they limit the number of installers in a territory.
I don't think me voicing my disapproval on the matter is hurting my reputation, if standing up for what is right paints me in a bad light, than so be it.
If anything, it's your posts that may come off in a bad way with others, at least those not drinking the Kool-aid.
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gpshumway
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Scottwax said:Gloss-Coat is a superior product to OC 2.0 and even easier to apply. I would expect it to last far longer than the 2 years Optimum is suggesting for reapplication. And you can purchase it without being a professional. It's what I have on my own car that sits outside 24/7.
This is after 2 days of rain, mist, drizzle and fog without washing it....
The only reason it isn't called Opti-Coat 2.0 anymore is to further distinguish it from Opti-Coat Pro. And you can thank unscrupulous detailers misrepresenting it as the pro version for the name change.
Define superior. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take from a bad picture of a tan car. How long has that car been coated? Long enough to verify durability? Is that an official statement from OPT that a properly applied coat of Gloss-coat will last the 5+ years an application of OC2 was supposed to last? You're one of the principal OPT fanbois here, Scott, and an official beta tester. Are you speaking for them?
Rcrew said:
What improvements? I see no official word from Optimum that anything of value to the average car owner has been improved. I see claims of easier use (big deal, OC2 was plenty easy), deeper shine (so what on a Minnesota daily driver). I've seen anectodal posts that slickness is improved and that might improve contaminant release, but no official claims from OPT. What I do see is a dramatic reduction in the claimed durability. I'm open to there being some actual improvements, but OPT has to actually claim them. The supposed improvements I do see amount to marketing puffery.
RaskyR1 said:I'd be careful, if you're to vocal about not liking the changes, Optimum may decide to put you on the black list and prohibit you from buying any of their products!
Disclaimer for sarcasm.
Lol. It seems a variation of the old "I dumped you first" from high-school dating.
Thomas Dekany
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So why is it such a big deal if optimum does it, but carpro doing it is fine.
Thomas Dekany
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The koolaid is CQF right now and you are at the for front.
Of course you have the right to voice your opinion, but bitching about price increases while posting pictures of cars that opti coat can't last on for its life, but now your customers are happy because you are applying CQF - how does that make me look bad? Unless your intention is to drive business away from oc since you don't offer it anymore.
Of course you have the right to voice your opinion, but bitching about price increases while posting pictures of cars that opti coat can't last on for its life, but now your customers are happy because you are applying CQF - how does that make me look bad? Unless your intention is to drive business away from oc since you don't offer it anymore.
mikenap
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Thomas Dekany said:
I never said it was ok for anyone to do it....
RaskyR1
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Thomas Dekany said:
Twisting my words is rather silly when my actual posts are still shown in this thread.
Thomas Dekany
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Six months later there was no beading you mean?
RaskyR1
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Thomas Dekany said:
<span style="font-size:24px;">Here, Let me help you...
You said
Thomas Dekany said:
My posts say
RaskyR1 said:
RaskyR1 said:How could you tell?
I have no doubts OCP, or many of the other coatings are capable of lasting a very long time when properly cared for, which was my point, but very few actually do so.
RaskyR1 said:I've actually never had any issues with the looks of OCP (nor have my clients), or it's protection against bugs and bird poo. That being said, with a hard line on a solid black panel, it's a night and day between OCP and QCF. Now if you put two identical cars side by side, both polished to perfection and each coated with a different product, it would be harder to see the difference IMO. My issue with OCP is Optimum, not the product.
I will also add that after 2 years of having my car coated with OCP it was still swirl free, though I could see a noticeable difference in gloss after polishing a panel this spring to apply CQF. This was after washing, IronX, Tarminator, another wash, and claying. The amount of dirt or "brownness" on my white polishing pad was surprising. To be fair, I did neglect my paint over the last winter.
After having CQF on my car for several months I can say I enjoyed washing it much more, it looked better, had a slicker feel, and I like the way the water sheets away water better too. Unfortunately, I traded it in last week, but rest assured, my new ride will be getting CQF.
A few of my repeat clients who've had me coat multiple cars have enjoyed Finest more too, not that they were disappointed with OCP. Their first car(s) had OCP and now they've tried having CQF applied to their newest cars after seeing it offered on my site and talking to me about it.
Here is an example
First car
http://www.autopia.org/forum/topic/122936-black-audi-a5-paint-correction-opti-guard-coating-raskys-auto-detailing/?hl=%2B2009+%2Bopti-coat
Second car
http://www.autopia.org/forum/topic/133224-2013-s5-paint-correction-and-cquartz-finest-application/
Owner email.
I've never bashed or talked badly about Opti-Coat Pro. I simply post the truth based on experience with actual customers cars, my own cars, and testing I've done on various test panels. In my above posts, in no way did I post cars and say<span style="color:#ff0000;"> "that opti coat can't last on for its life"
Now I did post pictures of various clients cars on the Autogeek thread. Cars that came back in less that two years for a reapplication. This was not to show that a product failed, but to prove my point that regardless of whether or not a products says it's permanent, most cars will still come back frequently for re-polishing because most clients simply won't care for their cars properly.
Posts #423, 424, 425, and 428 if you need to reread them.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/84308-opticoat-2-0-discontinued-opticoat-pro-sees-price-increase-11.html
So again, it's silly to twist my words around trying to make me come off as I'm bashing Opti-Coat. As I said many times, I have no issue with the product, in fact I think it's great. I simply disapprove of the 600% price increase in just over 2 years time, not to mention some of the other changes.
imported_weekendwarrior
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Thomas Dekany, for disclosure purposes, are you employed or compensated by Optimum?
Thomas Dekany
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Are you serious? Of course not!
Thomas Dekany
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Why not just move on? I mean do you not have a regular job besides detailing on the weekend? Us full timers have to fork it out of what we make from detailing. Come on chad!
RaskyR1
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Thomas Dekany said:
Same could be said for you. You posted a question, I answered it.
I work on a computer all day during the week, easy enough for me to multitask.
Thomas Dekany
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When somebody is bad mouthing a product I use to make a living just because the price went up, you better believe that I will put my 2 cents in. OC is still the longest lasting coating. There are many examples to prove that.
RaskyR1
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Who's bad mouthing the product? Only thing I see is unhappy users that Opti-Coat 2.0 is going away and Pro installers fed up with ridiculous and repeated price increases, lack of communications, and other changes...
gpshumway said:
Just to clarify things, OC2.0 was NEVER claimed to last 5+ years...that was the pro version only. 2.0 has a 2 year claim.
And just to throw some oil on the fire, I've heard that the new Gloss-coat was purposely made to be LESS durable than 2.0...like in the 8-12 month range, to push people towards the pro version more...but I'm not saying that's a definite truth, just relaying what I've heard.
builthatch
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gpshumway said:
lol "marketing puffery". i like that term!
but that's the one thing OPT doesn't do. Dr. G designs something, tests it extensively according to coating industry standard tests (coatings...such as paint), releases betas to field testers and then sums it all up and explains the features to his resellers and anyone else that might ask. that's it. there is no marketing. resellers and forums are their main venue for marketing....organically. maybe it's to their detriment...but i doubt it given the immense following OPT has gotten and his pioneering work with bringing coating to the masses. while their lack of traditional marketing appears to bother a lot of people, in a way it has worked several times over with No Rinse and the coatings...and to lesser degrees, Opti-Clean, Opti-Seal and some other pieces.
anyway, from Dr. G's mouth to my ears re: Gloss-Coat vs. 2.0 (in case anyone missed it when i posted it prior):
- same protection properties as 2.0 (not sure what that actually means, didn't ask)
- greater ease of use
- greater slickness
- greater gloss
- can be layered at any time
- can be (reliably) topped with wax or sealant
...and i (builthatch) will add an estimated life span matching the warranty that CarPro offers for their pro coating.
seems like a schematic for a good consumer product. Dr. G said a lot of the new features were installed based on market demand.
BTW, Dr. G is relatively easy to reach if anyone wants to get official feedback on the whats/hows/whys of this situation and their products. he's great with email as well as phone calls, at least he has been with anyone i've referred to him.
RaskyR1 said:
Yep. When you tick off the soldiers of the product...the guys/gals that push and apply the product...this is what happens. I wish everyone that is sticking with it good luck, as well as, those of us that have chose to let it go. Ultimately, the consumer will decide.
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JoeyV said:
If you read Dr. G's post in the AGO thread you'll see he says that OC2 was designed to have "very similar" properties to OCP, but with greater ease of use. There's a difference between a 5-year guarantee when installed by a proffessional and not providing such guarantees to a hobbyist with unknown application methods. I'm not going to dig up old posts by Chris, Scottwax and other official and psudeo-official OPT representatives, but my clear recollection is it was strongly implied that a well-applied coat of OC2 would be very nearly as durable as an application of OCP.
I've got exactly the same impression of Gloss-coat that you do, and that's what I'm dissapointed about. They've purposefully dumbed-down the product in an attempt to control the market and protect a different set of customers. As the manufacturer that's their right, but as a consumer I have the right to vote with my dollars and my feet, and I'm leaving. I will not be buying Opti-Gloss, I also won't be buying any other OPT products from here on, unless they change course.
builthatch said:
I don't need to contact Dr. G. His silence on the durability issue is telling and deafening. Is it possible in haste he simply forgot to address the durability issue in his e-mail to you and his post at AGO? Yes, it's possible, but I doubt it, durability was OC2's trump card over the competition, I doubt he simply forgot to mention the most important performance aspect of the old product in relation to the new one. Plenty of folks in the AGO asked the question directly in the AGO thread, if he'd forgotten, he'd have made a second post.
It's unfortunate that we have to play the marketing verbiage semantics game, but I have to point out Gloss-Coat is not claimed to last two years, it's claimed to last <u>up to</u> two years. No claims of permanence as were made for OC2.
Thomas Dekany
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gpshumway said:
Just a FYI- Optimum usually tested these coatings for years before releasing the products. Not so with Gloss Coat. As Scottwax pointed it out, it may out last all other semi permanent coatings. Time will tell.
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