Opinions on (ultra?) thin pads

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ZoranC

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I am contemplating purchasing some 5.25" CCS pads from Danase. Today I became aware they are 0.75" "thick" which makes them thinnest pads I know of (not that I know of many pads).



What would be your opinion on using pads this thin? What thin(ner) pad results in? What would be pros? What would be cons? When to use thick and when to use thin pad?
 
Hi ZoranC. I sure don't know the answer to your question from a usage standpoint but I would "think" thicker pads would give you a kind of softening effect as you polish. Thicker (within reason) should give you some lea way during the act of polishing to forgive any sudden wrong act, kind of cushion it if you get my drift. I take it we are talking about the new rotary?

But please remember I have no practical experience. Just logic/reading at this point. Hopefully some of the experts will join in on this. Great question by the way!

Changeling
 
Zoran..I have used other low profile pads and only thing I seen is they seem to generate a little more heat...do not know why....most cyclo pads are .75 inches thick also...



I have bought alot of the CCS pads this winter..not used yet..but have used the LC lo profile pads from AG and work good for me....I use them on both a PC and a Rotary...on the Rotary I start out at a lower speed and feel the paint to see how hot it is...and move up to I feel comfortable ...usually around 1200 rpm's..and they seem to do the job well...



on the PC I use 5 to polish and works fine....



I am just careful on edges and use no downward pressure..and works fine for me....







AL
 
I didn't realize that they were thin, this makes my day. I *love* the low profile pads via PC. IMO, the lighter the pad, the more the PC can spin, which allows it to do more work. I am going to order a few and test them on the rotary as well.



Does anyone know what type of velcro system is used on the 5.25" CCS pads? Black velcro, or the white like the 6.5" CCS pads? I have had issues with the white velcro on the CCS pads....
 
ebpcivicsi said:
I didn't realize that they were thin, this makes my day. I *love* the low profile pads via PC. IMO, the lighter the pad, the more the PC can spin, which allows it to do more work. I am going to order a few and test them on the rotary as well.



Does anyone know what type of velcro system is used on the 5.25" CCS pads? Black velcro, or the white like the 6.5" CCS pads? I have had issues with the white velcro on the CCS pads....
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I just looked and checked for you...they are the black velcro ..and go to the edge....they seem very well adhered...they will make a great PC pad....but also will for the rotary ..just may have to drop speed a bit till you find the sweet spot...



The ones from CMA are white velcro...I got a few of them also...but most came from Danase and have black velcro....I have a feeling I will be getting more...



Al
 
AL-53 said:
I just looked and checked for you...they are the black velcro ..and go to the edge....they seem very well adhered...they will make a great PC pad....but also will for the rotary ..just may have to drop speed a bit till you find the sweet spot...



The ones from CMA are white velcro...I got a few of them also...but most came from Danase and have black velcro....I have a feeling I will be getting more...



Al
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Thanks man, the white velcro os garbage IMO--mine delaminated in about five uses.



I will be ordering some of the 5.5" pads from Danase.
 
Bob at Danase is truly a class act! I ordered my pads last night and they shipped this morning! He adjusted some prices for me and he shipped it so I get it by Thursday. Overall 10000% satisfaction from Danase. Wow, still cant believe it. You cant go wrong ordering from Bob.



Bob if you read this, Thanks again!!



Jim
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Thanks man, the white velcro os garbage IMO--mine delaminated in about five uses.



I will be ordering some of the 5.5" pads from Danase.
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I hope Bob keeps them around....they are a nice pad....and Bob is the only one with them...by the way..they are 5.25 inches....I got a 4.75 backing plate for the rotary for them..so I have a little safety cushion...



AL
 
Changeling said:
I would "think" thicker pads would give you a kind of softening effect as you polish. Thicker (within reason) should give you some lea way during the act of polishing to forgive any sudden wrong act, kind of cushion it if you get my drift.
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Yes, I feel you are correct in that regard. I feel thinner pad will be harder on edges as it will end up denser/stiffer because it is easier to compress it.



However, I am also thinking about heat dissipation and saturation of pad. Thinner pad will dissipate less heat. It will be also easier to saturate with product. Plus I wonder are there any other factors I am not aware of.



Changeling said:
I take it we are talking about the new rotary?
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No, in general, for both PC and rotary.



AL-53 said:
I have used other low profile pads and only thing I seen is they seem to generate a little more heat...do not know why....most cyclo pads are .75 inches thick also... ... have used the LC lo profile pads from AG and work good for me....
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Probably less heat dissipation and more friction created as it takes less to compress them. Cyclo pads I got recently are 1" thick. So are low profile LC pads I too got from AG. However, Danase AG pads are not even 1", they are 0.75".



I wonder when thin becomes too thin?
 
I didn't think to feel the panel for heat when I used mine yesterday. As I mentioned in my review thread, my concern will be for panels like the hood where you have changes in contour. My hood has raised sides where it has like a 30 degree slope, and I think the small CCS pad may not transition over that as well. The 6.5" pads I have transition nice because when I'm putting pressure on it, the edges curl up some and help it glide over the slope very easy. I should have tried it with the CCS, but I'm concerned that with no overhang, the edge of the pad and possibly the BP will rub against that slope in the hood.
 
Probably less heat dissipation and more friction created as it takes less to compress them. Cyclo pads I got recently are 1" thick. So are low profile LC pads I too got from AG. However, Danase AG pads are not even 1", they are 0.75".
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I just measured my cyclo pads.. branded cyclo...not from another dealer..and they are same as danase's pads...3/4 inches...and I use them alot with a PC ..so I anticipate no problems using the Danase pads on either the PC or Rotary...if I can run a PC at 4-5 and get results that would take 6 to get.. I am happy...less jiggle and more energy transfer...



some of the pads with the recessed middle...well outside edge was 1 inch to a little over..but the recess was deep enough to make the inside close to just .75 inches and some even thinner....



I do not use much downward pressure maybe just the weight of the machine..and that seems enough to perform





Grimm...I bought a 4.75 plate for the rotary.which actually is a little under that and gives me the protection cushion on the edges....



I also took a old LC 5 inch flexible backing plate for the PC and trimmed it down to 4.50 inches...giving me the edge cushion ...



Al
 
AL-53 said:
I just measured my cyclo pads.. branded cyclo...not from another dealer..and they are same as danase's pads...3/4 inches
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That's interesting. Before posting I measured my Cyclo pads I got recently from member (says Genuine Cyclo on them, look exactly same as ones on their Web site) and they are 1" at the edge (foam, not counting backing), middle is not recessed, it is taller.



AL-53 said:
...and I use them alot with a PC ..so I anticipate no problems using the Danase pads on either the PC or Rotary...
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I wasn't neccessarily anticipating them but I did want to see what input might be as my budget is currently thinned out due to few purchases that didn't turn out as advertised so I don't have much margin for error, gotta make sure I will not face a surprise I was not aware of.
 
That's interesting. Before posting I measured my Cyclo pads I got recently from member (says Genuine Cyclo on them, look exactly same as ones on their Web site) and they are 1" at the edge (foam, not counting backing), middle is not recessed, it is taller.
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I was not talking the cyclo pads being recessed...some of the other brands are ..like in the 6-8 inch size they are recessed that the backing plate fits in a cup like area on the back of the pad...and when the backing plate fits in the pad I bet there is not over .75 inches of foam...



I am talking about pads of this design...as you see it is 1" thick..but recessed probally .25 inches....



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I had some that were simular from Buff and Shine...



Al
 
AL-53 said:
I was not talking the cyclo pads being recessed...
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Thank you for the clarification. I was scratching my head thinking "I don't remember ever seeing recessed Cyclo pads" :o



AL-53 said:
some of the other brands are ... I am talking about pads of this design...as you see it is 1" thick..but recessed probally .25 inches....
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I see your point now that if other brands are also comfortable with 0.75" there shouldn't be cons to it.



Thank you!
 
I too have ordered some 5.25" CCS pads from Bob at Danase. They are nice quality, thin, and real easy to maneuver around. I bought 2 org/2 wht/1 yellow, and they are working well for me. I also have AG's low pro 5.5" org and wht, as well as their 4" low pro org, which is by FAR the most aggressive pad you could use with the PC, it's like a little rock. ;)
 
All my 4" cyclo branded pads are 7/8" thick, 1 " including white backing and flat.



All my 6.5 " CCS pads are 1 1/4 " thick including Black backing, they are supposed to be LC pads but there is no brand/badge, purchased from AG. Not in plastic bags.



However two of the pads (Black pads) they sent me were in separate bags with a label on the outside that says "#78-74650 Patent pending WorldWide Made in the USA.

These CCS pads are 1 1/4 " thick including backing but they have a white Velcro backing instead of black like all the other 6.5" pads.



Makes me wonder which ones are the genuine LC and witch ones ones are house brand. They are probably all made by LC anyway. However I did specify LC when I ordered.

Changeling



PS. Almost forgot, 1 wool pad, Sheep skin thick with a Flat Top haircut, baaaa brand.
 
If I am not mistaken it is perfectly fine to use the 4 3/4" to 4 7/8" backing "plates" on a "Rotary" polisher, work just fine on 5", 5.5" and 6.5" pads, don't know about wool pads though.

If for any reason you feel this is not true please explain why.



Changeling
 
Change....I use a 4 3/4 inch plate on my rotary for my ..5.25 and 5.5 and 6 in pads...no problems...I also have a modified 5 in PC plate I turned down to a little under 4.75 to use these pads also..that way I do have a cushion edge so not to hit stuff with the plate...



Al
 
AL-53 said:
Change....I use a 4 3/4 inch plate on my rotary for my ..5.25 and 5.5 and 6 in pads...no problems...I also have a modified 5 in PC plate I turned down to a little under 4.75 to use these pads also..that way I do have a cushion edge so not to hit stuff with the plate...



Al
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Al, now I remember who told me you could do this, it was you.:goodjob
 
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