ONR Time Efficient?

[efnfast]

And finally, to the dude who plans to use a pressure washer in conjunction with an ONR wash....I have to ask....WHY? I think you're missing the whole point of ONR.

Hurts to read past the first 5 words, eh

Use a pressure washer to rinse, then ONR. That's my plan - my main reason for wanting to try ONR is because my water is SUPER hard and minzeralized. I can't wash the car and dry it without every single panel being stained with water and requiring a waxing after every wash. :heelclick

 

[Less]

efnfast, I read the whole post.



I'm still not seeing your point. If you're water is hard and mineralized, why would you spray the car with a pressure washer?



It doesn't sound like you're saving any water. It doesn't sound like you're saving any time. It doesn't sound like you're creating any more or less marring. I mean, if you're going to the trouble of hauling out the pressure washer and hosing the car off, why not just do the wash using the traditional, and in my opinion, safer method?



Water spots are a pretty common, yet easily solvable problem. Work in the shade, work in cooler weather. There are plenty of filters and water treatments that can be attached to your hose. Even if you can't/won't do those things, you could always spend 5 minutes with a QD spray and clean off the water spots.



It just seems to me that ONR sacrifices some tolerance for human error in favor a faster (or so they claim), and more convenient wash method. You aren't saving any time or improving convenience at all, so why shrink your margin of error?

 

[SuperBee364]

efnfast, I read the whole post.



I'm still not seeing your point. If you're water is hard and mineralized, why would you spray the car with a pressure washer?



It doesn't sound like you're saving any water. It doesn't sound like you're saving any time. It doesn't sound like you're creating any more or less marring. I mean, if you're going to the trouble of hauling out the pressure washer and hosing the car off, why not just do the wash using the traditional, and in my opinion, safer method?



Water spots are a pretty common, yet easily solvable problem. Work in the shade, work in cooler weather. There are plenty of filters and water treatments that can be attached to your hose. Even if you can't/won't do those things, you could always spend 5 minutes with a QD spray and clean off the water spots.



It just seems to me that ONR sacrifices some tolerance for human error in favor a faster (or so they claim), and more convenient wash method. You aren't saving any time or improving convenience at all, so why shrink your margin of error?

Less, you bring up a really good point. Used one way, I view ONR as possibly shrinking my margin of error, yet used in another, I think of it as *increasing* the margin of error....



If I go out to a totally dirty car and ONR it, i agree: you are shrinking your margin of error, depending on how mar-free your regular wash method is.



However, if you knock everything off your paint using other, non-aggressive methods (high pressure water, BHB, foam cannon, touchless wash) and *then* go to ONR *instead* of going to a touch media like a mitt, then I'd say you are increasing your margin of error, as I don't think ONR is as likely to mar the paint when there is just the little stuff left on it than a traditional wash media is.



Just another point of view.

 

[Scottwax]

I've seen some of Scott's videos and I understand the technique. however, both of the videos that I saw (black cayanne, and white jeep), had vehicles that weren't what I would call *very* dirty. Nor did they show the cars under any kind of discriminiting lighting. I would love to see that black cayenne under bright lighting after a corrective polishing job, then see it again after an ONR wash a few weeks later.

How about 5 months later? Washed 2-3 times a month with ONR, often at his office in the full sun.



This was right after polishing, not a 100% correction (still using a PC or Cyclo at the time) so some light swirling remained (think I used #83 and 106FF).

5 months later:

 

[Less]

Thanks Scott. That's certainly a more compelling argument.

 

[Less]

However, if you knock everything off your paint using other, non-aggressive methods (high pressure water, BHB, foam cannon, touchless wash) and *then* go to ONR *instead* of going to a touch media like a mitt, then I'd say you are increasing your margin of error, as I don't think ONR is as likely to mar the paint when there is just the little stuff left on it than a traditional wash media is.

Ok, but if you're going to do all of that other stuff, you're losing out on the (alleged) time and water saving benefits of ONR.



I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say "go to ONR *instead* of going to a touch media like a mitt". Even with ONR, you need to touch your car with something. I'm assuming that all other factors, such as the mitt/towel/sponge, are equal and we're only comparing the soap vs. ONR. I find that traditional soap provides better lubricity, and better cleaning power than ONR.

 

[efnfast]

efnfast, I read the whole post.



I'm still not seeing your point. If you're water is hard and mineralized, why would you spray the car with a pressure washer?



It doesn't sound like you're saving any water. It doesn't sound like you're saving any time. It doesn't sound like you're creating any more or less marring. I mean, if you're going to the trouble of hauling out the pressure washer and hosing the car off, why not just do the wash using the traditional, and in my opinion, safer method?



Water spots are a pretty common, yet easily solvable problem. Work in the shade, work in cooler weather. There are plenty of filters and water treatments that can be attached to your hose. Even if you can't/won't do those things, you could always spend 5 minutes with a QD spray and clean off the water spots.



It just seems to me that ONR sacrifices some tolerance for human error in favor a faster (or so they claim), and more convenient wash method. You aren't saving any time or improving convenience at all, so why shrink your margin of error?

My water leaves all sorts of spots and staining all over the place. I've never been able to wash the traditional way and not have water staining all over the paint (unless it's a lighter white/silver, in which case you never notice it, but it's obvious on black). With the ONR I can wash 1 panel, dry, it, move on. No chance for the water to sit there and dry on it.



Also, I love my pressure washer - blasts away all the initial dirt and dust, leaving a relatively clean surface to work with. I have it, so why not use it.



I don't care about water conservation or time, I care about minimal marring and water staining.



Btw, for reference, I have a CR Spotless unit - flowing 2.5gpm through it, my water KILLs the resin (going from 0ppm to 200+ppm) in 2 rinses (rinses, NOT washes).

 

[Dsoto87]

For wheel wells, rims, and jambs I have a 2 gallon sprayer just full of water. Most of the time I don't need it since onr and an mf towel will clean up most things. If I do have to do some nasty rims or wheel wells than I just spray on the needed chemical (ie: wheel brightner, degreaser, apc, etc) and rinse it off with the sprayer and do a final wipe with the onr again.



The chemicals and mechanical aggitation take care of it. This way, I'm still using only 4 gallons of water total, and the customer doesn't need any hose. I haven't had any problems since.

 

[CocheseUGA]

I've not tried it myself, but I'm of the opinion that ONR does a good enough job of encapsulating dirt that you could spray ONR and sheet it off with the hose and get perhaps 50-75% clean.



I spritz a completely dry car to the point where the mixture starts to pool together and run, and I can see the dirt in the drops. It's as close to a miracle product as I've ever seen. I was going to buy a foam gun, but what's the point?



Again, 15 minutes from start to finish, with a OID wipedown.

 

[efnfast]

I've not tried it myself, but I'm of the opinion that ONR does a good enough job of encapsulating dirt that you could spray ONR and sheet it off with the hose and get perhaps 50-75% clean.



I spritz a completely dry car to the point where the mixture starts to pool together and run, and I can see the dirt in the drops. It's as close to a miracle product as I've ever seen. I was going to buy a foam gun, but what's the point?



Again, 15 minutes from start to finish, with a OID wipedown.

Hmmm, that's actually an interesting idea. I find foaming does absolutely nothign for me - maybe it does loosen some dirt (havn't tried it on supppppper dity stuff yet), but nothing that's visible.



So what would happen if instead of using foam in the foam gun with a pressure washer, using some ONR. Hmmmmm.



Rinse with p.w., foam with ONR and P.W, rinse again with p.w., then do the normal ONR aggitation. Really small chance of marring then since most of the dirt has to have been knocked off by then???:drool:

 

[CocheseUGA]

I believe the ONR will foam very little, if at all. Due to the chemistry.

 

[SuperBee364]

My water leaves all sorts of spots and staining all over the place. I've never been able to wash the traditional way and not have water staining all over the paint (unless it's a lighter white/silver, in which case you never notice it, but it's obvious on black). With the ONR I can wash 1 panel, dry, it, move on. No chance for the water to sit there and dry on it.



Also, I love my pressure washer - blasts away all the initial dirt and dust, leaving a relatively clean surface to work with. I have it, so why not use it.



I don't care about water conservation or time, I care about minimal marring and water staining.



Btw, for reference, I have a CR Spotless unit - flowing 2.5gpm through it, my water KILLs the resin (going from 0ppm to 200+ppm) in 2 rinses (rinses, NOT washes).

I thought *my* water was hard. That is some seriously chewy water.

 

[efnfast]

I thought *my* water was hard. That is some seriously chewy water.

Yep. It really sucks because if I leave the water on there for more than a minute or so, it stains the whole panel - it looks like I didn't even try to dry it (the panel). My issue goes beyond a water spot here and there...imagine the whole car/panel looking like 1 big water spot!

I believe the ONR will foam very little, if at all. Due to the chemistry.

But i'm not trying to foam it - trying ot use it as a pre-cleaning agent (you know, spray it on, have it contact dirt, dirt slides off, leaving less dirt for when I aggitate with a mitt)