ONR seems to get the attention

Bunky

Bunky

Detailing Gnosis
I know AG sold a DP brand rinseless product and PB sold one as well prior to ONR becoming such a phenomena.

I have not used either of the above since I heard about ONR and could get some from a local detailer (he had bought a gallon) to try.

There seems to be PR campaign (almost infomercial) going on some detailing sites. I see "ultimate" threads that seems a bit over the top and it seems like ONR can clean anything but somehow does not remove wax (or even grease for me).

BTW, I used it yesterday in a 50 F garage (was in low 40's outside). My 1000W halogens helped bump the temp up about 5 degrees. Some Mothers FX spray wax worked fine (was about 55 F). I mix up 3 gallons of ONR and end up getting abour half on the floor (I am not skimpy).
 
If you are looking for some discussion on low water use washing, here's a little on my experience.
You mention Poorboy's and the only product I am aware of in the PB line that falls into the low/no water category is Spray & Wipe. I also have and use both DP 4 in 1 and ONR.

S&W - Excellent product and it might very well be the most used product I own. It is used on some very dirty vehicles by some, but if I have a lot of crud on the vehicle, I do a spray off before using the S&W. In the warm weather, I do it in the driveway, in the cold weather, I go to the DIY spray wash. After either, I finish with S&W in the garage.

4 in 1/ONR - Both good as rinseless washes and that's all I have used them for. The reason they are grouped together is that I really don't see any difference in how they work or the results.
I will often use them when the vehicles are a little more dirty than I feel comfortable with just the S&W.
Since I feel warm water does a much better job of cleaning, I mix my rinseless washes with hot water from the tap in a couple of gallon jugs and by the time I pour it into my 2 compartment bucket in the garage, it's cooled enough to put my hands in. I do wear rubber or nitrile gloves. Dry hands are much warmer and keeping the chemicals off my skin probably isn't a bad idea, either.
I use two gallons mixed as directed. One gallon for washing, one for rinsing the wash media. Having the wash solution in the rinse water was suggested by another member here to reduce the dilution of the wash water. Seems to work and I have never tried using plain water for rinsing the wash media.
For wash media, I have used a sheepskin mitt, cotton chenille mitt, cotton chenille covered sponge, sea sponge, grout sponge, the Cobra Bone MF covered sponge, and they all seem to work fine for the body/windows.
I use Terry MF towels for drying.

For the wheels and tires, I use a Meguiar's body brush for the face of the wheel, a mug scrubber to reach the interior tub of the wheel. The tires are done with a tire brush and Poorboy's Bold N Bright. Since I do the tires at every wash, I don't feel the need to use anything but the B n B to clean them. I wipe the tires and wheels down with old cotton terry towels that I still have a lot of. I wipe the B n B completely dry to get a matte finish. To each his own, but I really don't like shiny tires.

As far as mess, I have more water on the floor from doing the wheels than from the rest of the vehicle.

When I use Spray & Wipe, I have no water on the floor! Something that is worth considering.

A lot more info than you were looking for and a lot more info than I planned on typing when I started. :passout:
 
That just about covers it Charles! Thanks for that.... you saved me a bunch of typing. :D
 
IT cerainly does cover the topic. Does it not? I especially concur with the use of S&W spray. It is my most used product.
 
cwcad said:
IT cerainly does cover the topic. Does it not? I especially concur with the use of S&W spray. It is my most used product.
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Like I said, the S&W is a great product.
One Grand Prix, One Montana mini-van, 42 degrees outside, 20 minutes with the kerosene heater in the garage. Both vehicles only moderately dirty from dew/dust through the week. Both driven every day, but no bad weather other than cold and windy.
1.5 hours later, both cleaned with S&W, DG 105 applied and removed from the GP, Opti-Seal applied to the Montana, no mess, every thing put away and the MF towels in the washing machine. :bigups
Oh yeah, a cup of hot chocolate for me took another few minutes. :)

FWIW, The rinseless washes probably would have taken at least 20 to 30 minutes longer with having to mix up a separate batch of wash solution for each vehicle, plus I do think the rinseless wash does take a little longer than the S&W. At least for me.
 
I find it bit funny that since the introduction of ONR & 4in 1, that no one ever seems to talk about QEW which was what every one was using for a rinseless was.

I'm curious, does anyone still use QEW?
 
jaybs02 said:
I find it bit funny that since the introduction of ONR & 4in 1, that no one ever seems to talk about QEW which was what every one was using for a rinseless was.

I'm curious, does anyone still use QEW?
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The last I knew, Jared Pointer was using it.
One thing he liked was the fact that it was available locally for him. The no shipping charge made it a pretty good price and I think he had good results with it.
 
jaybs02 said:
I find it bit funny that since the introduction of ONR & 4in 1, that no one ever seems to talk about QEW which was what every one was using for a rinseless was.

I'm curious, does anyone still use QEW?
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Also, the popularity of rinseless washes is partly due to our "mob mentality" when it comes to detailing products.
Whenever a product gets hyped for a while, we all think we have to buy it. :wall:wall:wall
 
GearHead_1 said:
Can't speak for everyone here, I certainly remember the popularity of QEW. You had to hurry to your local RV shop to pick it up. That said, I never thought it worked as well as S&W.
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QEW was never available locally in my area.
I did order some through the internet several years back.
It seemed to work fine, but I discovered Poorboy's S&W about the same time and the QEW pretty much stayed on the shelf. When the pint I had was gone, I never replaced it.
With all the hype about the new rinseless washes, I had to try them and was pleasantly surprised at how good they did work. I feel much more comfortable with the ONR or the DP 4 in 1 than I ever did the QEW. They both seem to have more lubricity than the QEW did, but whether they are any better or not, I really don't know. It could just be my accepting the process now.
While they are good, they still haven't put the S&W on the shelf. :D
 
In the winter if the roads are covered with salt I like to use a hose with adjustable nozzle to make a small powerful stream to wash the underside and fender wells to remove the salt and sand.

Where I live it you want your vehicles to last washing the paint will not save it you need to clean the places where salt collects and eats the metal.

Since this requires getting the hose out and getting the floor wet no point in worrying about the floor just do a conventional wash.

If the road is dry and the car is only slightly dirty I use S&W.
 
CharlesW said:
I use two gallons mixed as directed. One gallon for washing, one for rinsing the wash media. Having the wash solution in the rinse water was suggested by another member here to reduce the dilution of the wash water. Seems to work and I have never tried using plain water for rinsing the wash media.
For wash media, I have used a sheepskin mitt, cotton chenille mitt, cotton chenille covered sponge, sea sponge, grout sponge, the Cobra Bone MF covered sponge, and they all seem to work fine for the body/windows.
I use Terry MF towels for drying.
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One gallon for wash and one for rinse.....that seems like a very small amount. How do you avoid absorbing most all in two or three dunks in the water with a sheepskin mitt? Maybe I am overstating it, but it seems like two or three gallons may be needed. How much of the car do you wash with each dunk into the wash mixture?

Ekko
 
ekkoville said:
One gallon for wash and one for rinse.....that seems like a very small amount. How do you avoid absorbing most all in two or three dunks in the water with a sheepskin mitt? Maybe I am overstating it, but it seems like two or three gallons may be needed. How much of the car do you wash with each dunk into the wash mixture?

Ekko
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Actually, unless the vehicle was really dirty, only one gallon would be necessary and I have used just one gallon with no problem. My second gallon is to rinse the mitt, not wash the vehicle.
I basically wash a section per dunk. Either 1/2 the top, the hood, the deck, a door, being what I term a section.
To control the amount of mixture in the mitt, just squeeze some out. I have never run short of solution on a Grand Prix or a Montana mini-van.
If you feel more comfortable with a larger quantity, by all means use more.
It would be more likely for me to change to a fresh bucket of solution rather than need more. That would be an extreme condition on a very dirty vehicle and I have never felt I needed to do it.
 
CharlesW said:
Actually, unless the vehicle was really dirty, only one gallon would be necessary and I have used just one gallon with no problem. My second gallon is to rinse the mitt, not wash the vehicle.
I basically wash a section per dunk. Either 1/2 the top, the hood, the deck, a door, being what I term a section.
To control the amount of mixture in the mitt, just squeeze some out. I have never run short of solution on a Grand Prix or a Montana mini-van.
If you feel more comfortable with a larger quantity, by all means use more.
It would be more likely for me to change to a fresh bucket of solution rather than need more. That would be an extreme condition on a very dirty vehicle and I have never felt I needed to do it.
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I also follow the same routine and never seem to fall short of wash or feel that I am talking any short cuts.
 
I do find that ONR leaves a ring of crud around the water level in the bucket and ONR does not seem to be able to remove this ring. I can take a car soap and remove it readily.

I wonder why? Is it telling me the ONR is "spent" (encapsulated all the dirt it can). It is usually when I am washing wheels that I notice it most so I suspect it is brake dust.
 
Bunky said:
I do find that ONR leaves a ring of crud around the water level in the bucket and ONR does not seem to be able to remove this ring. I can take a car soap and remove it readily.

I wonder why? Is it telling me the ONR is "spent" (encapsulated all the dirt it can). It is usually when I am washing wheels that I notice it most so I suspect it is brake dust.
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Unfortunately, I'm more of a what person than a why person. :)
I have noticed the ring to some extent with both ONR and 4 in 1. It has always just wiped off with a cloth and dish soap and water mix when I am cleaning my brushes and wash media after the wash job.If it's telling us anything, I'm not hearing it. :D
 
CharlesW said:
Unfortunately, I'm more of a what person than a why person. :)
I have noticed the ring to some extent with both ONR and 4 in 1. It has always just wiped off with a cloth and dish soap and water mix when I am cleaning my brushes and wash media after the wash job.If it's telling us anything, I'm not hearing it. :D
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I was trying to correlate what it means to the paint cleaning process. I think it is another question to Dr G. We all have theories and I like to validate observations against the theories or assumptions.
 
ONR , DP4 , Qew , and PB Spray n Wipe are all great products. They allow us to have very clean cars all the time. People that go on detailing web sites are clean car nuts. What you use to keep your car clean is a personal choice,and in this case all these products do the job.
 
Bunky said:
There seems to be PR campaign (almost infomercial) going on some detailing sites. I see "ultimate" threads that seems a bit over the top and it seems like ONR can clean anything but somehow does not remove wax (or even grease for me).
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ONR is not designed to remove wax. If ONR removed wax because it "cleans" then how come car soap can also "clean" cars yet not remove wax?

Simple answer is in the design and purpose of the product. How do all-in-one products clean paint yet also leave wax behind? Well once again it's in the way they are designed to operate.

Anthony
 
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