ONR on these? (pics)

justin30513

justin30513

Mobile Detailing Services
Just wondering what process(es) you rinseless care washers would use under these conditions. I've just started using this method in my business. I see 4-8 of vehicles like this per week. Let me know and thanks!





Here's the pics.....

(I used conventional washing on these. Pressure washer too.)

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I know that it is possible to do a car that dirty with ONR, but I personally wouldn't try. I will usually take it to the coin-op and just rinse the biggest part of the grime off, then use ONR.
 
Neither of those vehicles could be cleaned safely with a no-rinse wash--IMO anyways. Now, after you throughly detail them, then you could maintain them with a no-rinse product, but those vehicles need to cleaned using traditional methods.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Neither of those vehicles could be cleaned safely with a no-rinse wash--IMO anyways. Now, after you throughly detail them, then you could maintain them with a no-rinse product, but those vehicles need to cleaned using traditional methods.
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I beg to differ.

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ONR



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Less said:
Ditto. A pre-wash at the coin op is the key to using ONR
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Other than spraying the mud off the white truck, all of them could very safely be washed with ONR without any pre-rinsing.
 
So you would used the pressure washer to just hit the rockers, wells and wheels?



I'm not questioning the use of ONR....I'm just wanting to know how. I love it so far, well 4-in-1 that is. Hope you didn't take me this way.



If a company would develop a simple 30 second video showing the use of a rinseless product, I believe sales would soar!
 
Scottwax said:
I beg to differ.

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Other than spraying the mud off the white truck, all of them could very safely be washed with ONR without any pre-rinsing.
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I agree as long as they are being sprayed off first with high pressure.



I personally do not believe that any of those vehicles could be cleaned as well, or as safely with QEW or ONR(compared to traditional washing). I am not saying that it couldn't be done, but IMO traditional methods are going to produce better results.



Even with the most delicate tools and techniques, without pre-rinsing, marring would occur when using a no-rinse wash on a vehicle that dirty. Now if you are going to detail it afterwards, no big deal. If it's a maintenance wash--that's another story.



Just my opinion....
 
ebpcivicsi said:
I agree as long as they are being sprayed off first with high pressure.



I personally do not believe that any of those vehicles could be cleaned as well, or as safely with QEW or ONR(compared to traditional washing). I am not saying that it couldn't be done, but IMO traditional methods are going to produce better results.



Even with the most delicate tools and techniques, without pre-rinsing, marring would occur when using a no-rinse wash on a vehicle that dirty. Now if you are going to detail it afterwards, no big deal. If it's a maintenance wash--that's another story.



Just my opinion....
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I have 13 years experience using rinseless washes. You? Unless you have used them, you really don't know how well they work. Believe me, I wouldn't wash black Porsches and G35s with their soft paint with ONR if I wasn't fully confident in the product.



I'll take the Pepsi challenge against anyone on this board, ONR vs conventional washing on equally dirty (but not caked in mud like the white truck...although I can do it) vehicles and not only will I be done faster, but the paint will look at least as good, if not better.
 
Even with a regular hose and bucket method, I'd preasure wash the mud off first. Then ONR with the QD strength on the lower panels, then go to town on it. My lower panels were filthy, like the red truck (not muddy though) on my black car, and I didn't hose it down, just pretreated with QD. Worked every bit as good as a traditional wash, and no marring. It's very slick stuff.
 
Scottwax said:
I have 13 years experience using rinseless washes. You? Unless you have used them, you really don't know how well they work. Believe me, I wouldn't wash black Porsches and G35s with their soft paint with ONR if I wasn't fully confident in the product.



I'll take the Pepsi challenge against anyone on this board, ONR vs conventional washing on equally dirty (but not caked in mud like the white truck...although I can do it) vehicles and not only will I be done faster, but the paint will look at least as good, if not better.
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Scott I believe you. We just have bad conditions here. Lots of mud, rocks, and pine needles that just stick to the paint. Over 50% of our roads here are dirt and gravel. There was litterally clumps of mud coming from the wells. If its bad, I can alway pre-wash just to remove the worse and then ONR. I would still save time I bet!
 
Scott



I don't disagree with what you're saying and I'm really not in a place to comment on this because I've only used ONR twice. But wouldn't you agree for those of us without 13 years of experience, we would be much safer running the car through a touchless before using ONR.
 
justin30513 said:
Scott I believe you. We just have bad conditions here. Lots of mud, rocks, and pine needles that just stick to the paint. Over 50% of our roads here are dirt and gravel. There was litterally clumps of mud coming from the wells. If its bad, I can alway pre-wash just to remove the worse and then ONR. I would still save time I bet!
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In those conditions, I'd pre-rinse as well. You *can* clean mud off vehicles with ONR or QEW but it is more time consuming and takes several buckets of water.
 
Scottwax said:
Yeah, I'd knock the mud off and then use ONR to wash. Faster for me than conventional washing anyway.
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Hey Scott out of curiousity, let's say you didn't have a pressure washer..how would you knock the mud off safely?
 
I am going to subscribe to this thread. Interesting and I have some 4-in-1 to try. This could also save me some time washing and more time polishing and protecting as I usually dont start until 4 pm on cars on weekdays. From what Scott has shown I believe ONR is great stuff. I think I will start out using it on a very lightly soiled car. Scott have you had any experience with 4-in-1 versus ONR? Thanks
 
Scottwax said:
I have 13 years experience using rinseless washes. You? Unless you have used them, you really don't know how well they work. Believe me, I wouldn't wash black Porsches and G35s with their soft paint with ONR if I wasn't fully confident in the product.



I'll take the Pepsi challenge against anyone on this board, ONR vs conventional washing on equally dirty (but not caked in mud like the white truck...although I can do it) vehicles and not only will I be done faster, but the paint will look at least as good, if not better.
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Scott, I wasn't trying to discredit you or your 13 years of experience with a product. I was simply stating that IMO, it would be better in that situation to use conventional methods to wash. I believe that it would decrease the chance of marring paint and produce better results.



IMO, QEW or ONR should be used to maintain fairly clean vehicles, not wash filthy, mud-caked kid haulers. Things like thoroughly cleaning wheel wells, cleaning tires, engines, cleaning behind the spokes of wheels, deep cleaning wheels, etc become too much of a hassle(or are impossible to clean) with QEW--again, IMO.



I have used ONR and QEW, I use them both in the winter on my cars.



I don't see why you feel the need to get defensive and call me out. We just differ in opoinion about the point in which a product reaches its limits. :nixweiss
 
I'm with ebpcivicsi on this one. I to often run into vehicles that have the very large clumps of dirt on the panels, and if I have to break out the pressure washer to remove the dirt to safely use an ONR or QEW, then I will just wash the vehicle using a conventional wash. Can a car be safely washed after being hit with the pressure washer, sure, but If just using ONR or QEW on a vehilce with clumps of dirt, or in Minnesota, sand, some light marring may occur.



Greg
 
Scottwax said:
I have 13 years experience using rinseless washes. You? Unless you have used them, you really don't know how well they work. Believe me, I wouldn't wash black Porsches and G35s with their soft paint with ONR if I wasn't fully confident in the product.



I'll take the Pepsi challenge against anyone on this board, ONR vs conventional washing on equally dirty (but not caked in mud like the white truck...although I can do it) vehicles and not only will I be done faster, but the paint will look at least as good, if not better.
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For me, this mans words mean a lot . . but still , seeing a car that dirty would make me scared to use a rinsless method . . . . because i dont have the expierience . .



but, this mans pictures speak for them self.



a picture is worth a thousand words. after seeing them, im gonna give it a try the next time i get a moderatly dirty car. Every time I use onr, i keep growing more fond of it . . .
 
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