ONR. Is there really a need for the 2nd bucket?

[Tony1]

For you people who do the two bucket method and swap the water out 2-3 times.........do you change your oil every 500 miles as well just to be sure you have clean oil in your cars?

I have a question for you. Are you one of those people who polishes their car out every month or two as if they have an endless supply of clear coat? I can easily get by with a very light polishing every few years and that's on the horizontal surfaces. The vertical panels I can go even longer. I can do this because of my washing and drying methods.



The amount of time and effort involved in an extra bucket is so minor it's bordering on ridiculous to not use one. People can spend hours blabbing on a car forum but act like the few extra seconds involved in using a second bucket is huge.



As long as I have been seriously into OCD car care it has been generally accepted that two buckets is a must for serious detailers if they want to maintain their swirl free finish so they don't have to polish constantly. I believe it's even more important when using rinseless washes since there is no pre or after rinse. The mitt gets much more dirty with this type of wash and makes the second bucket even more critical IMO.



One thing for sure, using the second bucket does no harm and almost certainly is a plus.

 

[ThomasC]

Dang Anthony some good points.

 

[wn1998]

I have a question for you. Are you one of those people who polishes their car out every month or two as if they have an endless supply of clear coat? I can easily get by with a very light polishing every few years and that's on the horizontal surfaces. The vertical panels I can go even longer. I can do this because of my washing and drying methods.



The amount of time and effort involved in an extra bucket is so minor it's bordering on ridiculous to not use one. People can spend hours blabbing on a car forum but act like the few extra seconds involved in using a second bucket is huge.



As long as I have been seriously into OCD car care it has been generally accepted that two buckets is a must for serious detailers if they want to maintain their swirl free finish so they don't have to polish constantly. I believe it's even more important when using rinseless washes since there is no pre or after rinse. The mitt gets much more dirty with this type of wash and makes the second bucket even more critical IMO.



One thing for sure, using the second bucket does no harm and almost certainly is a plus.

My point is that my single bucket method (per ONR instructions) without a grit guard has worked great and not marred my paint at all! Is a second bucket just too much work......well, no however, if I don't mar the paint why even do it? I did several ONR washes in my garage this winter to get all that nasty chicago salt off my car. I used a grout sponge and roughly 3 microfibers to dry and my paint looks fantastic.



Why add the extra step "just in case" if it's not needed?

 

[The Enforcer]

I actually use three buckets. One for wash. One for rinse. One for wheels and wells.



Don't tell me you people using one bucket also use that bucket for wheels and wells:soscared:

Do the wheels/wheel wells last and ya don't have to worry about this! Although when you do this last, you should be careful not to sling ONR all over your clean dry paint.

 

[Scottwax]

Do the wheels/wheel wells last and ya don't have to worry about this! Although when you do this last, you should be careful not to sling ONR all over your clean dry paint.

I use a separate bucket for the tires and fenderwells and do them first. The reason being that 99.99999999% of the time in the Dallas area, the wind is blowing 15-40 mph and there is no way to dress the fenderwells without getting dressing overspray on the paint while working outside. By cleaning and dressing the tires and fenderwells first, any dressing overspray is removed when I wash the body of the vehicle.

 

[The Enforcer]

Good point Scott...I may resort to that!

 

[Tony1]

Do the wheels/wheel wells last and ya don't have to worry about this! Although when you do this last, you should be careful not to sling ONR all over your clean dry paint.

Usually I do the wheels first but even if I didn't I would always have a specific bucket just for wheels and wells because of how dirty they get.

 

[mblgjr]

I use the 2-bm.



1-bucket with proper wash concentration



2nd bucket gets about 1/2 concentration



I found having a *little* ONR mixed into the 2nd bucket lets the grit come out of the mitt better.



I use a MF bone like what's shown in ScottWax's youtube vid. Picked mine up at BigLots; Target has one in their storebrand as well that is nice.

 

[Anthony O.]

Ok, so exactly how long does it take for the dirt/abrasives to fall below the grit guard-a few seconds, minutes or is it possible that the crud stays in suspension?



AND is it the consensus of all users of ONR that the grit stays at the bottom of the bucket (s) regardless of the level of enthusiasm when one places the dirty -wash media- into the solution??



Not trolling, just wondering thats all.

Why not get some ONR and time it?



I (and other pros I am sure) who run busy shops or businesses do not have the time to set about this type of experiment. Honestly I have never even thought about it so why not take on your own question?



Grit is grit. When someone drives their car it attracts dust then an afternoon shower comes down while driving and drags that dust and dirt across the paint at high speeds. It drives through dirty puddles which splash water up and against the paint. This persons car gets possible marring and scratching from just daily driving.



One bucket, two or five....cloth materials going over cars paint will cause friction which will eventually lead to marring. Foaming up a car does nothing to hinder that nor does using 2 buckets, whether filled with ONR or soap suds.



Anthony

 

[evolutionwc3]

2BM for me, both with warm water.

1st bucket= ONR at wash strength w/grit guard

2nd bucket= plain water with grit guard

media= Home Depot grout sponge. I really like this sponge with ONR due to the smaller pores and its ability to quickly release grime and dirt into rinse bucket.



I don't doubt that you can't do it with a single bucket, but for me, I like the peace of mind associated with the black water in the rinse bucket and blue water in the other.