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ORANGERT

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I just finished detailing a blue streak pearl 2014 Ram R/T standard cab short bed. These are the steps I took:
wash with nanoskin bubble bath
removed contaminants with nanoskin wash mitt
polished with klasse aio using a pc da ( paint was in very good condition )
applied 3 coats of klasse sg using damp microfiber applicator and a small 1.2 oz spritz bottle

I used the 1.2 oz for all 3 coats and didn't have any removal issues using a plush microfiber for buffing. This was my first time using the klasse twins. Did I use enough of the klasse sg? The truck looks excellent, but I'm concerned the coats are to thin for durability? Appreciate any feedback from the experts here on the forum. THANKS!!!
 
I would say that the key to Klasse is "thin". If you apply to much it can be very difficult to remove. The misting bottle and a MF app is probably the best way to apply it. You can always apply another coat if you think you didn't get enough coverage.
 
I was thinking about doing a 4th coat after I get the feeling in my arms back! I probably should wipe it down with something before I do though. It has been in the garage since the third coat and not driven, but it may have some dust ( can't really see any, but who knows ). The only QD I have is the Megs in the red bottle. Would that be ok or would that put something on the finish to negatively affect the 4th coat of KSG bonding to the surface? Thanks!!!!
 
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I was thinking about doing a 4th coat after I get the feeling in my arms back! I probably should wipe it down with something before I do though. It has been in the garage since the third coat and not driven, but it may have some dust ( can't really see any, but who knows ). The only QD I have is the Megs in the red bottle. Would that be ok or would that put something on the finish to negatively affect the 4th coat of KSG bonding to the surface? Thanks!!!!
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Adding more will get you better protection and durability (I aim for six coats) but what you have on there now will be plenty for now, so I'd just do more KSG at the next wash(es). I only have three coats on the latest thing I've KSG'ed and I'm confident that's plenty for an initial application.

I'm also pretty confident that the Meguiar's QD will leave stuff behind that will interfere with the KSG, *no way* would I use that.
 
Thank you for the input, makes me feel better about it. Plus I can rest up now! I'm in my sixty's and the heat lately has been a killer with an index of 115! I sure picked a bad time to try out the twins on the truck. But the shine is beautiful, looks like the old school "candy" look, and the pearl really pops in the sunlight. Only downside is the world famous Chrysler orange peel seems to be more noticeable to me now. I'll just put on a couple more coats the next time I wash it. I've always been a carnauba nut in the past for the warm glow it gives. But the longevity isn't as long as a sealant and I just do not have the drive like I used to doing a wax every couple of months and a polish every spring and fall. Guess it's just the years creeping up on me, lol! Until then it's time to "enjoy the ride! Thanks for responding!!!!!!!!
 
ORANGERT- My wife and I are getting up in years too, so I sympathize! And yeah...at some point some of us just don't want to be detailing all the time; I look back at how much time/effort I spent on this stuff and just roll my eyes.
 
Since I'm in my sixties too I can say ...... Keep on moving or they just might put you in the ground!!!


Btw, [just saying] if you need to apply 6 coats of a sealant for decent results, it's time for a new sealant or a coating!
 
Roger that! I think after the Klasse has run its course I'll try CQUK or one of the many other one coat sealants out there. One coat and as my friends in NY say "forget about it"! I'm always busy it seems after I retired. I need to find another job to rest up! Keeping our vehicles paint work flawless has always been something the wife says I'm OCD about.LOL
 
ORANGERT- I'm kinda a broken record about this so you've probably heard it before, but for low-maintenance IMO you can't beat FK1000P. It's not a coating, but it outperforms (durability, etching-resistance, ease of cleaning, etc.) the sealants I've tried. One or two coats of FK1000P has replaced six layers of KSG as my approach for the dog-haulers.
 
Thanks for the recommendation Accumulator!. I'll have to give it go. Isn't that a paste with a shark on the can? I'll look up Finish Kare products. Do you apply it thin with a foam or microfiber pad? Is da application or by hand the best method in your opinion? How does the finish look compared to the KSG? I do like the glossy candy look of the Klasse. Thanks!
 
ORANGERT said:
Thanks for the recommendation Accumulator!. I'll have to give it go...
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Hope it works as well for you as it does for me! (I recently got fellow Autopian 4u2nvinmtl to try it and it's replaced KSG as his current fave.)

Isn't that a paste with a shark on the can? I'll look up Finish Kare products...
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Yeah, that's the stuff. On the FK website it is (IIRC) listed under their Marine products.

Do you apply it thin with a foam or microfiber pad? Is da application or by hand the best method in your opinion?
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I do it by hand with foam, but MF would almost certainly work fine too. I don't see any reason why you couldn't do it by machine, just be careful to do the thin *thin* *THIN* thing (I find that easier by hand).

How does the finish look compared to the KSG? I do like the glossy candy look of the Klasse. Thanks!
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You oughta as 4u2nvinmtl, he'd have a better response. I'll try but I haven't used the two products on the same vehicle so I can't do a direct comparison.

Both have the "sterile and not too deep" look of a synthetic/sealant. The FK1000P *to me* looks brighter, glossier, more highly reflective. The KSG looks more like a "plastic coating" to me.

While I'm aways saying that the FK1000P might not be to everyone's taste on every paint, I just think it generally "looks a lot better" than KSG. I once stripped KSG off a silver Audi because I simply hated how it looked...and that's about the only time in my life I've ever done that (well, one of the two times).

MiVor said:
..Btw, [just saying] if you need to apply 6 coats of a sealant for decent results, it's time for a new sealant or a coating!
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That's the sort of thinking that got me to switch to FK1000P, BUT...the way you can build up a thick build-film of the KSG is a unique property that I can still appreciate; I use it on some exterior plastics because I honestly believe that it protects them better than anything short of a (real) coating. SO the KSG still has a limited-application use that keeps it on my shelf.

But as for doing six layers on a vehicle, and I did it to stuff like SUVs and minivans, yeah...forget that.
 
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After a thorough maintenance wash I did another ( 4th ) coat of KSG. I must have slipped back in time to my sixty's mind set of if a little wax is good then more is better and applied it somewhat on the heavy side. Thank god I didn't have any old cotton t shirts laying around or I probably would have used them also!:o Anyway, I mixed up a spritz bottle of 1 to 6 ratio of KSG and distilled water and gave a clean microfiber a few good sprays, and used that to wipe down the heavy areas before polishing with a dry microfiber. I still have yet to get a QD like M34 that wouldn't degrade the coverage and bonding of the KSG. My question is using this homemade spritz will it have a negative affect on the KSG? To really examine the paint it still looks like a candy coating. Thanks!!!:)
 
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Thought you might like to see what I'm working on. Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it!!!

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ORANGERT said:
I mixed up a spritz bottle of 1 to 6 ratio of KSG and distilled water and gave a clean microfiber a few good sprays, and used that to wipe down the heavy areas before polishing with a dry microfiber. I still have yet to get a QD like M34 that wouldn't degrade the coverage and bonding of the KSG. My question is using this homemade spritz will it have a negative affect on the KSG? To really examine the paint it still looks like a candy coating. Thanks!!!:)
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No no no...I would *NOT* use the M34 for this as the little bit of stuff it leaves behind might mess with the KSG just like the other Meguiar's QD can. Stick with your KSG/distilled water mix, which sounds perfect for this. IMO you could even use that for post-wash refreshening of the the "primary" KSG. I bet it's just like the Sonus Acrylic Glanz stuff that's made to work with KSG that way.

And that's a cool Blue! I kinda think that the KSG would look good on that, even though I'm not a huge fan of it on other colors. But then the FK1000P might look good on it too ;)
 
Thanks for the reply. Glad to know another spritz product isn't needed when I get a little "carried away" during application. I'm going to keep layering the Ksg for now as old man winter is on the horizon. I believe the protection should carry on through the winter season as the truck is in the garage most of the time since I retired. The pearl in the blue streak paint does "pop" nicely in the sunlight. But my spring detail will include a nice coat of FK1000P as my lsp. The KSG doesn't leave the finish with the slickness I'm used to from using a carnauba based wax all these years. Although I have noticed after a 12 to 24 hour cure time the tackiness I feel after buffing the KSG application does diminish quite a bit. Thanks again!
 
ORANGERT- Yeah, the KSG does change up a *little bit* as it cures, but yeah#2 it just never has that really slick feel (which I think you *will* obtain from FK1000P).

If you do switch from the KSG to the FK, I'll be very interested to hear your opinions about the two. But it's sure protected now with the KSG on it!
 
Old guy in his 60s here too. I was an old time Klasse twins user. I recently came back to the forum to catch up on the newest stuff available, and there seems to be a lot out there.

I was not happy with the time and effort required to do multiple coats required for the SG, so I looked for alternatives. Poked around the forum some and after some deliberation I got the FK1000p, heavily influenced by Accumuator, and others. Couldn't be happier, and much easier than the SG. I did use the Klasse AIO to prep the car, though.

If you read the lengthy instructions of using SG, you'll see the suggestion to use a detailer to assist with application and removal. I have used two different detailers and they both worked fine (not Wolfgang):

Proper Application of Klasse Sealant Glaze

Klasse Sealant Glaze is very finicky about proper application. The reason is simply that the product is as strong as iron. If you apply it heavily, like you would apply a paste wax, it will be very difficult to wipe off.
So, I repeat, Klasse Sealant Glaze must be applied as a very thin coating or it will be difficult to remove.
The proper film application thickness for Klasse Sealant Glaze is "whisper thin". There should be very little Klasse Sealant Glaze film to remove when it is properly applied.
For Klasse Sealant Glaze I only recommend the Sonus Der Wunder Applicator. This applicator evenly distributes just the right amount of Klasse Sealant Glaze.
Before starting, moisten the Sonus Der Wunder Applicator with a small amount of Wolfgang Instant Detail Spritz. One or two sprays is plenty. The Sonus Acrylic Spritz will assist with thin application of Sealant Glaze.
Apply Klasse Sealant Glaze to your entire car. Do not wipe off until it is dry. I recommend applying no more than a 1/2-inch size dab of Klasse Sealant Glaze to your applicator at a time. Work it in well. Remember, rub the Klasse Sealant Glaze in until only a whisper of film remains.
Allow the Klasse Sealant Glaze film to dry for about 30 minutes. In most cases, once you are finished applying Sealant Glaze, you can begin buffing off where you started your application. Allowing the Sealant Glaze to dry longer will not make it easier or more difficult to buff off.
For best results, buff off Klasse Sealant Glaze with a Sonus Der Wunder Buffing Towel. Klasse Sealant Glaze responds well to the short nap fabric side for removal. Flip to the super soft, plush side for final buffing.

If you do apply your Klasse Sealant Glaze to heavily, use a light spray of Wolfgang Instant Detail Spritz to assist with removal.
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valleyguy1- Glad my FK1000P recommendations didn't turn out to be a bum steer :D

Note that in those "application tips" there are a lot of "buy this stuff too!"-type recommendations ;)

I just find KSG *easy*. I've even experimented with goofy-thick applications and they always buffed off easily. Eh, just my particular tolerance level I guess.
 
Accumulator said:
Note that in those "application tips" there are a lot of "buy this stuff too!"-type recommendations ;)

I just find KSG *easy*. I've even experimented with goofy-thick applications and they always buffed off easily. Eh, just my particular tolerance level I guess.
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Yep, a lot of "buy this" going on, but in the original instructions I got with the Klasse, it recommended using a detailer (no brand name) to put on and ease the take of of SG. So I have always done that. I think we already had this discussion Accumulator, but it is worth noting for those that did not read that thread. First time I used the SG, it was a bit of a bear to remove, so I started the spritzing of the applicator pad with detailer to keep it moist instead of water. Also made removal easier. I don't know, maybe it reduced the longevity of the SG, hard to tell. Of course, YMMV.

And, thanks for the FK1000p suggestion, great stuff.
 
valleyguy1- While I was rehashing the whole "QD and KSG" issue I forgot to tease you about how being in your 60s does *NOT* qualify as "old" in my household ;)
 
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