Ok, I'm gonna order the new Zaino... What all should I get?

blkZ28Conv said:
The Z can handle the #00 but the Z7 has polymers included in the formulation that actual makes the post washed surface appear better. A post Z7 wash is simply amazing. I used Z7 on all my vehicles even the ones with EX / BFII and carnuaba.

I may have gone away from Zaino polish for 2 years but I never abandoned the Z7 car shampoo. :wavey
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Are you still touting Poorboys or have you moved on to something different?
 
Hi Greg,

Still use and love Poorboy's EX on my wife's Lexus ( topped with P21S or Souveran). Still use BFII every so often also with a topper. Still extremely pleased with both.

The EX looks great on the more expensive finish of the LS400.

I also use Natural Shine, B&B and Spray & Wash all the time on both driven vehicles.

I am a hobbyist and like a change every so often. Not that the previous product failed to live up to expectation but different products require different techniques and care. This wards away auto detailing ennui for me. :wavey
 
bet993 said:
I don't think it is a matter whether the Z can handle #00, it is more that Z7 compliments and sort of "renews" the Z, and there is no question that Z6 compliements and really enhances the gloss of the Z.
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Not trying to start any sort of argument here. If you like the way the wash or QD renews the protection, great. But for me, I want my car wash to wash. And I want my QD to remove light contaminents, and add some slickness and gloss.



#00 is a gentle wash that just cleans stuff. That's all I want it to do. Final Detail makes short work of water spots and fingerprints and such, leaves a nice slickness and gloss, and that's all I want it to do.



If the Zaino needs a little goose or "renewal", then that's fine. Every protectant needs that at some point. But the way I'll deliver that is to add another layer. Not to use some wash or QD that tries to do this in addition to being a wash or QD. I do this with Blackfire too. I have the shampoo and QD, but only use them when I'm going to put on another layer.



I'm buying the stuff, and I'll use it. Maybe it will blow me away and I'll pitch my #00 and Final Detail. But if it doesn't, these two products do exactly what I want them to, are easy to buy locally, and are very affordable. Maybe Z6/7 do all sorts of amazing things, but 00/FD do the things I care about. :) :wavey
 
Don't ditch the 00 and FI! I use them every so often. Look, Z6 is more expensive, so for touch-ups on rain/water stain (like it sees rain, well I try) I reach for the FI. The 00 is a good wash for all sorts, no need to use Z7 all the time. The 00 does very well cutting brake dust on wheels due to the lube qualities in it.



Hey this Zaino stuff is boo-ku $$$$, so don't worry on using 00 or FI.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Aurora40 said:
Well, we'll see... But if the Z can't handle #00 (probably the most mild wash ever), then I say :nono to it...
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It's not a matter of what Zaino can "handle." It's a matter of: Do you want a good system that interacts well? or do you want to start mucking about with it? I know Autopia if full of folks who want to tweak and experiment, so have at it.



Me, I'll stay with the tried and true -- since I'm using Zaino sealant, I'll stick with their wash and QD, which gives me good results, seems to keep making the finsh look better and better. I already have several thousands of $$ tied up in the car. So am I going to get all tight-wad about a $7 car wash or QD? I think not. But that's just me.
 
Its Z6.



She said shes pretty strict on sticking to the Zaino line.



I am too, no carnauba toppers for me when I use Zaino. Just Z6, Z7 to maintain Z1 or ZFX with Z2 or Z5 every 3 coats.



I am doing something right, whenever I drive the car to the supermarket I am getting looks, the paint is really glossy and shiny (well I can probably contribute this to paint prep.)



This is for a 1999 Corolla that topped 120K a few weeks ago. Dark blue have to really look for the swirls. I know there are a few but nothing normally viewable.



I also use the Clay, Z12, then Z2 combo ono the Corolla's side and back windows. I just clay the windshield. Great results. water beads then flies off the windows, still use the wipers for the windshield.



Jason
 
Lynn said:
It's not a matter of what Zaino can "handle." It's a matter of: Do you want a good system that interacts well? or do you want to start mucking about with it? I know Autopia if full of folks who want to tweak and experiment, so have at it.



Me, I'll stay with the tried and true -- since I'm using Zaino sealant, I'll stick with their wash and QD, which gives me good results, seems to keep making the finsh look better and better. I already have several thousands of $$ tied up in the car. So am I going to get all tight-wad about a $7 car wash or QD? I think not. But that's just me.
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No offense Lynn, but that's not much of an argument. I'm sure you have good arguments for using Zaino, I just don't think you presented one here. My car costs a lot, so my car wash should too? Do I want a good system or would I rather muck with stuff? Are those really my only options?



I guess I don't see how using a regular, and very gentle, carwash is "mucking" with anything. I doubt that Zaino is so fragile that it needs only Zaino cleanings and QD'ings. If so, then it isn't much of a protectant. And maybe it's super tough and can handle it, but it just starts to look crappy if you don't use Zaino-brand stuff on it. In that case, I'd still say it isn't much of a protectant. I doubt it will be Zaino-brand dirt or bird poop or rain that falls on it, so it's gonna have to be able to deal with things that aren't trying to synergize with it... My guess is the Zaino can handle it and still look good. Maybe my experiences will prove me wrong...



As I said, though, I recognize that life will take a toll on the protection. And I will bolster it with more protection, not with a car wash or QD. I don't have some expectation that Zaino will last forever and ever once I apply it. Or that it will look good forever and ever once I apply it.



I will try the wash and QD, and as I said, maybe it will amaze me. I don't doubt they are good products. #00 is a good product as well. As is Final Detail. I really don't think I am putting my nice car in jeopardy by using them...



Maybe we just don't want the same things from our products, though. You asked if I want a good system that interacts well, but actually I don't. I don't want my carwash or QD to interact at all with the protectant. I would prefer a strong protectant that can stand on its own. And a gentle car wash that cleans without hurting that protection (I strongly believe #00 fills this bill). From my QD, I want something that has enough lubrication to safely remove crud and bugs and bird poops. And I want it to remove water spotting and leave a nice slick surface behind. And I want it to improve the gloss. And of course I want it to not weaken the protectant. But I really don't care if my car wash or QD strengthen the protectant. In fact, I'd prefer they just do the other things better instead. If the protectant needs stregthening, I'll add another coat of it. Obviously if the #00 or FD have some harmful reaction with the Zaino, or ruin the shine or something, then I will stop using them together (probably by going back to Blackfire which protected well, beaded a lot, and looked awesome all while being happy to be washed with #00 and QD'd with FD).



I certainly hope you don't take offense or anything Lynn. If you like Zaino, then that's great. And I'm glad it works for you. I just don't think it is the only thing that can work. :wavey
 
Aurora40,



DOn't toss the 00 and FI! I still use them on Zaino, so it's OK.



As I said, the Z6 and Z7 costs big $$, why waste it? I use the FI all the time, then if I need further gloss, I'll get the Z6.



00 wash is just fine, has lots of lube to float most anything.



Go ahead, use the FI and 00 wash! Once you've got Zaino on it, not a whole lot is going to effect it once it bonded. No it's not a Level 3 flack jacket or Amorglove, but still very durable.



Us the Zaino wash/QD when needed, that's all.



Regards,

Deanski
 
No offense taken, Aurura40, and I'm sorry if I came on too strong. I tend to be awfully conservative with the white car (which is my Zaino car), and am just real risk-averse with it. We do need folks who are willing to experiment.



And I was too tired last night (and a little crabby), and -- you're right -- didn't offer additional details about some of the other reasons why I stick with the Z6 & Z7. I use the wash because it's very good at getting road junk off and because it's very high-sudsing -- not just because it's part of the system. And smells wonderful, to boot! :D I even use it on my non-Zaino cars. Similar issues about the Z6: it performs as well as the few locally-available QDs I've tried, and seems to increase the "pop" on a Zainoed car. Lots of folks comment on the cost of Z6, and I certainly have to "suck it in" whenever I buy it. But one thing I've observed (though I haven't really done any "testing" per se) is that I seem to use a whole lot less of Zaino's QD than other brands; so maybe it's really not all that much more expense on a unit-cost basis. :nixweiss Or maybe I just use less because it costs so darn much! (BTW, I'm sure you already know this, but ... it's suggested you always/only use Z6 before and after applying your Z2/Z5; but I'm sure you knew that already.)



I'll look forward to hearing how the Zaino works for you, and what tips and tricks you come up with. :bigups
 
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