Officers down in Dallas

GearHead_1 said:
I can`t help but smile when people set Canada up as a standard for the USA. They know whose broad shoulder`s to stand upon when the water is deep.

I always thought Toronto was a clean city, we can learn something there.
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They got a literature teacher, we got a community organizer......... hmmmmmmmmm
 
4u2nvinmtl said:
My condolences to all the families of the killed / wounded officers involved.

It`s terrible and tragic, worst of all I`ve used this as an example of what will happen before it occurred... I`m not on "a side" but my position still stands "guns aren`t for self-defense" and that owning a gun with the intent to use on another human being should be prohibited.

I`m deeply saddened and I hope some real legislative change comes about eventually but at this point, I think it will take a cultural revolution for everyone to get on the same page. Please take a step back to look at how other countries have addressed gun control and mass shootings like these with good legislation.

I`m not saying ban guns and bullets but maybe something more like what Canada has (everyone still can own guns and bullets) but with reasonable limits for the safety of the public and law enforcement at large.
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Cain killed Abel with a rock.... It isn`t a gun problem it is a heart problem.
 
GearHead_1 said:
Nazi Germany for instance? I guess that would be foolish to think something like that couldn`t happen again.
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It seems that that piece of Nazi legislation only negatively impacted Jew`s. So your implying to: "take the guns away from a specific group of people". I don`t think your notion of a racist gun legalisation is acceptable, especially at a time like this! Frankly, I`m appalled that anyone would even bring up this ideology.

We`re not jews living in Nazi Germany, and like I said
4u2nvinmtl said:
I`m not saying ban guns and bullets
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GearHead_1 said:
I can`t help but smile when people set Canada up as a standard for the USA.
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I can`t help but frown when people let their arrogance get the best of them when someone`s simply trying to help out. What`s so bad about Canadian gun legislation...?



GearHead_1 said:
They know whose broad shoulder`s to stand upon when the water is deep.
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Anyways It`s not about causing a divide between you and I or Americans and Canadians it`s about coming up with solutions and not to mock people. You comment speaks volumes about how serious you are about changing the situation. In all seriousness, I`d like to hear what you propose all nazi-ness aside, plz.
 
4u2nvinmtl said:
It seems that that piece of Nazi legislation only negatively impacted Jew`s. So your implying to: "take the guns away from a specific group of people". I don`t think your notion of a racist gun legalisation is acceptable, especially at a time like this! Frankly, I`m appalled that anyone would even bring up this ideology.

We`re not jews living in Nazi Germany, and like I said




I can`t help but frown when people let their arrogance get the best of them when someone`s simply trying to help out. What`s so bad about Canadian gun legislation...?




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Anyways It`s not about causing a divide between you and I or Americans and Canadians it`s about coming up with solutions and not to mock people. You comment speaks volumes about how serious you are about changing the situation. In all seriousness, I`d like to hear what you propose all nazi-ness aside, plz.
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Since you are not understanding his logic, I`ll try to make it simple.

It` not a gun problem. It`s a people problem. So now your solution? Still take away guns?
 
XxBoostinxX said:
Cain killed Abel with a rock.... It isn`t a gun problem it is a heart problem.
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One can not happen without the other. It`s a tango.

What`s the causality for the difference in murder rate per capita between US and Canada, in your opinion if it`s not gun legislation?

I don`t disagree it`s a heart/brain problem, but selling health care is about as hard as selling gun control.

I actually sat with my coworkers and talked about the shootings for a couple of hours today while on lunch. One of them (a fellow American from NJ) also admits that he didn`t see a gun mentality problem while living within the US and it wasn`t until he came to Canada in 2002 and seen the difference in the level of gun violence. Since I moved here I havent ever heard of a "drive by" even once where as back in Tucson, AZ they would happen basically every other night. I grew up thinking it as normal hearing gun shots in the city...

Obviously, this keyboard can`t convey the way things work here entirely (nor can I) but I just want people to know there is a way, yall just need the will!
 
4u2nvinmtl said:
It seems that that piece of Nazi legislation only negatively impacted Jew`s. So your implying to: "take the guns away from a specific group of people". I don`t think your notion of a racist gun legalisation is acceptable, especially at a time like this! Frankly, I`m appalled that anyone would even bring up this ideology.

We`re not jews living in Nazi Germany, and like I said
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Only impacted Jews, are you serious? World War II did not only involve Nazi`s and Jews. You assume to much and play with words to imply I have any notion regarding any type of gun legislation. You also play with words by implying I should set Nazi-ness aside. Playing with words is the trait of a politician and lawyers. My belief is specifically that people should not be willing to live under the boot of their leaders. Furthermore, my belief is now and will always be that this is the intent of the 2nd Amendment.

I can`t help but frown when people let their arrogance get the best of them when someone`s simply trying to help out. What`s so bad about Canadian gun legislation...?
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Perhaps the arrogance comes from those who believe that because they`ve offered an opinion others see it as help or that a comedian`s monologue is worthy of serious consideration. I offer my post only as a differing viewpoint. As far as me trying to convince you of anything regarding Canada`s gun legislaton would be the equivelant of you convincing me that my ownership of firearems or bullets, lots of them, is a problem for anyone.

The problem we have in front of us is not a hardware problem it`s a people problem. All the legislation in the world will not change that. Legislation simply reduces the freedoms of those who are not the problem.


Anyways It`s not about causing a divide between you and I or Americans and Canadians it`s about coming up with solutions and not to mock people. You comment speaks volumes about how serious you are about changing the situation. In all seriousness, I`d like to hear what you propose all nazi-ness aside, plz.
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My intention was not to mock you but simply to say I see things differently. You however did imply that I was both arrogant and that I possess nazi-ness as I need to set it aside, who is mocking whom? I make no proposal in convincing you to see things as I do. Admittedly I don`t have the answer to the problem but that doesn`t mean that I don`t know when a bad proposal is made. I know that changing gun laws won`t change the hearts of people and until you can do this anything else is merely a band-aid and that passing legislation as a knee jerk reaction is a fools errand.

If there was any one thing I would propose it would simply to be that this country needs to improve it`s relationship with the Almighty and not feel the need to offer an apology. We`ve just about legislated Him into oblivion.
 
4u2nvinmtl said:
One can not happen without the other. It`s a tango.

What`s the causality for the difference in murder rate per capita between US and Canada, in your opinion if it`s not gun legislation?

I don`t disagree it`s a heart/brain problem, but selling health care is about as hard as selling gun control.

I actually sat with my coworkers and talked about the shootings for a couple of hours today while on lunch. One of them (a fellow American from NJ) also admits that he didn`t see a gun mentality problem while living within the US and it wasn`t until he came to Canada in 2002 and seen the difference in the level of gun violence. Since I moved here I havent ever heard of a "drive by" even once where as back in Tucson, AZ they would happen basically every other night. I grew up thinking it as normal hearing gun shots in the city...

Obviously, this keyboard can`t convey the way things work here entirely (nor can I) but I just want people to know there is a way, yall just need the will!
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Check out "Project Exile", a program that worked well and low and behold who opposed it:

Meet "Project Exile": The Proven, Effective Anti-Gun Crime Proposal That Liberals Hate
 
Ronkh said:
Since you are not understanding his logic, I`ll try to make it simple.

It` not a gun problem. It`s a people problem.
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Look Ronkh I respect you a lot and dont want to trun this isnt an argument but are you serious or joking when you say it`s not a gun problem, because I think it`s very obvious one can not happen without the other, no?

Just incase we keep misunderstanding each other I`ll make my point really simple too... Gun+human=bang, gun+nothing=nothing, human+no gun=no bang

What your saying is just physically impossible. Although its a grate save aganst hinting at the notion of a rascist gun control law, your point has no logic. Unless your implying your rather have it the way it is than try for something better?

To put it in another perspective it`s like saying "a total lack of food and drinking water isnt the prooblem, the starving people are".

I`ll ask you the same question:
4u2nvinmtl said:
What`s the causality for the difference in murder rate per capita between US and Canada, in your opinion if it`s not gun legislation?
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Ronkh said:
So now your solution? Still take away guns?
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Great question! And the truth is I dont have a complete answer yet or even any political affilations but none the less I sat today and wished I could write the "I have a dream spech..." that could lead to a cultrual revoulition that America needs first to change their lust for guns. There are many moving peices that would have to come to play for things to change and it would have to be a movement lead by the people and not the gouvernment.

I think one of the first steps is ending the ideliogy that it`s ok to purchase a gun for the sole intent to be used aganst another civilian. Not legislatively but culturally.

I get it your fed up of snow birds but thats not what I am. I`m an American, I vote states side, I pay taxes states side, I enlist states side, I want better for America and my fellow Americans (nothing more nothing less no other agenda)! I want my wife and kids to be Americans and not fear they`ll randomly be shot if we move there. I want to see change come about and prove to the victims lving realtives that their lives mattered and brought something better in America rather than more uglyness...

Everyones lives matter more than guns to me, but I guess thats recivied only as testiment of how Canadian I`ve become, but it`s not.
 
4u2nvinmtl said:
Great question! And the truth is I dont have a complete answer yet or even any political affilations but none the less I sat today and wished I could write the "I have a dream spech..." that could lead to a cultrual revoulition that America needs first to change their lust for guns. There are many moving peices that would have to come to play for things to change and it would have to be a movement lead by the people and not the gouvernment.

I think one of the first steps is ending the ideliogy that it`s ok to purchase a gun for the sole intent to be used aganst another civilian. Not legislatively but culturally.
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Your so called "lust for guns" does not equal a lust for murder. There are millions upon millions of gun owners in the United States that will never ever use their firearm on another human being, and I`d venture to guess just about all of those people hope to God they never have to.

The discussion to limit or give up my firearms can be had once I can be guaranteed all of the lawbreaking scumbags have given up theirs and the politicians give up their armed security
 
House of Wax said:
Do you have a fraction of the gang problem in Canada as in the U.S.? I have no clue, so it`s a legitimate question
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I`d say it`s 90% organized crime, 10% wannabe gang bangers. We do have the largest / worst criminal biker gang in the world "The Hells Angels". I`d say it`s more like the US in the 1950`s-1970`s if you will.

Most murders are hit`s not random people getting killed.
 
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