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It was mentioned above that the clear is mixed in with the paint and I have heard something that kind of goes along that route.
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This is in disagreement with what my local bodyshop is telling me, we are speaking of 2004 and later cars. Maybe some models has single stage still. I don't believe the clear would be mixed in with the paint as suggested before though...



You may have penetrated the clear on that '05 GX as well.
 
SilverLexus said:
This is in disagreement with what my local bodyshop is telling me, we are speaking of 2004 and later cars. Maybe some models has single stage still. I don't believe the clear would be mixed in with the paint as suggested before though...
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I'm not suggesting that but expanding on how it could have evolved to that since there are also claims that the clear is tinted.



You may have penetrated the clear on that '05 GX as well.
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Well thanks for insulting my intelligence.:)
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
But if you simply mix clear and paint together you get a murky mess.
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That's not true. It's done a lot in high production(cheap) refinishing and can look good if the finish is wet sanded and buffed BUT you don't get the same kind of longevity as it tends to oxidize similar to SS paint.
 
Scottwax said:
I've done '04 and '05 black LX470s and they did not have clear coats, as indicated by color transfer on my pads.



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Cleans and protects, eh? Some sort of one step product.
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And the mystery continues! :D I wish they would just come clean and tell us when they used single stage and when they used basecoat clearcoat. Is it even possible to say Black Onyx Lexus and not have this debate? What happens in the body shops when they need to repaint a panel? Do they just wing it? I'd think it would be clearly stated somewhere, but I've yet to see any facts right from Toyota/Lexus proving what process they are using. :nervous:
 
Yep, as a matter of fact, I believe GM's Millennium Yellow on their C5 corvette's have a tinted clear on it. I'm not sure if it is considered a single stage or whether the clear is shot over the base, but I do know it's an expensive option. The color looks great and I haven't heard any complaints about paint durability.................Tom
 

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chpsk8 said:
And the mystery continues! :D I wish they would just come clean and tell us when they used single stage and when they used basecoat clearcoat. Is it even possible to say Black Onyx Lexus and not have this debate? What happens in the body shops when they need to repaint a panel? Do they just wing it? I'd think it would be clearly stated somewhere, but I've yet to see any facts right from Toyota/Lexus proving what process they are using. :nervous:
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Trying to nail this down, I just got off the phone with the local Lexus recommended body shop and asked them about this issue. They said that all new Lexus colors are clear coated. I mentioned how some people say they are pulling color when polishing and they said that Lexus and many other manufacturers are adding tints to some of their clear coats. According to the shop, the Black Onyx (202) has a non-tinted clear coat. They went on to say that if you are pulling color on your pad when polishing you might also be dealing with an improperly re-painted repair. They say about 5% of all their work is repairing damage that occurred to vehicles during transit to the dealership. In other words you may buy a new car that has been repainted and the dealership is not required to tell you about it. :hairpull



I certainly am not disputing what anyone is seeing on their pads but FWIW, I've detailed a couple newer (04-05) Black Onyx Lexus models. An SC430, LS400 and a RX330 and pulled no color with #80 or #83 and a PC. I've done a few newer black Toyotas as well with no color transfer. Here is a Highlander that has the same paint code (202).

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Now Lexus paint is legendary in it's perfection and I don't think they are painting them differently at the factory so I suspect there might be a repair issue on any panels that are pulling black from the 202 paint code.
 
Not calling lies at all BUT I can't see changing the process and keeping the same paint code as the paint code would indicate the process also wouldn't it? Wouldn't we get one code for SS and another for BC/CC?



EDIT: Isn't this also flawed in the 5% repaired number if we're seeing a good number of newer cars that are pulling color? While the repair process may be one thing does that mean that the initial process is the same?
 
my Mom has an onyx black '01 LX470 (without any repairs...we bought it new) and I get paint transfer on my pads everytime I polish. Single Stage, Tinted clear? All I know is my pads are black when I'm done. Doesnt really bother me all too much either way.
 
Well thanks for insulting my intelligence.
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I certainly did not mean to do that, it's just that I have had this occur when I have buffed out some scratches that penetrated the clear.



I stopped by my Lexus dealer today on the way home and the new black GXs definitely have a clear on them. As Wade says, it probably does not matter either way. I did do a single stage GS a while back and the paint quality was excellent.
 
Lee, based on both mine and Scott's experience it's apparent that not all of them do have CC on them. A body shop can tell you anything but many of us have seen and repaired their paint work so I take their "knowledge" with a grain of salt. Again, the GX that I did a small repair spot on was not clear coated and I really doubt that I went through the CC with my Cyclo, light cut pads and IP.



What were you buffing with to go through clear?
 
Just to add another (fuzzy) data point, I buffed out a black RX a few months ago, and while I got a little bit of color on my pads, it wasn't nearly as much as I expected (I went into the job expecting SS black). I've worked on a couple of other SS paint jobs, and the paint transfer was really obvious; the RX only gave up a little bit of black.



If I'd been asked to guess just based on how that paint reacted, I'd have said it was probably a tinted clear coat. This was an '02, I think, FWIW. :nixweiss



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There was a scratched spot on a neighbors car that had gone thru the clearcoat - a bumper and rear quater panel scratch. Fortunately I got it to look reasonable with ssr2.5 followed by a bit of carnauba-Pinnacle Souveran I believe.



Maybe some Lexus cars have single stage still but I have not seen any. I know the ES, IS and GS in black have clear on them. Either way it's no big deal.
 
Please don't take this as being argumentative but the IS isn't one of the cars that has a traditional CC either.



This is one of those things that I give up on trying to educate on. You know from what you've been told and I know from experience. Others are free to come to their own conclusion.:)
 
Okay, I think I have the answer!



I spoke with a Lexus paint expert just 5 minutes ago. All Lexus metallic paints have a clearcoat. On non-metallic paints that are black, the paint and clearcoat are indeed actually mixed. This explains why they consider it a clearcoat but when buffed out you get some paint transfer.
 
Some people with classic cars painted black say that ss black paint has a deeper richer color black . Clear coat black is like having sealant on it . SS black is like having carnuba on it.
 
jfelbab said:
They say about 5% of all their work is repairing damage that occurred to vehicles during transit to the dealership. In other words you may buy a new car that has been repainted and the dealership is not required to tell you about it. :hairpull
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Since this thread is already horrendously off-topic, I remember some years ago when they revised the lemon laws (don't know if it was NJ or federal) to lower the repair dollar threshold (or maybe create one) where it was no longer a "new" car. I think it was $1500, if a shipping-related repair was more than that, they had to sell it as a used car.
 
lawrencea said:
Some people with classic cars painted black say that ss black paint has a deeper richer color black . Clear coat black is like having sealant on it . SS black is like having carnuba on it.
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I would definitely agree. SS black is definitely deeper and blacker looking.
 
Good point Scott. Maybe that's why Lexus does a mixed clearcoat.



It's not clear if the mixed cc is another stage or just one....
 
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