OCW - find it difficult to apply

i've been thru a gallon of OCW v2 and only had one black F350 that streaked and that was because the panels were too hot when I applied it, which was totally my fault. It's like Bence said, just spread it around over the panel, then flip your towel and buff.
 
Bence said:
citanest and corrswitch,



Your descriptions are definitely weird. OCW is one of the absolutely easiest products in existence.



However, I saw people apply spray waxes in very *special* ways.



- First funny drama was when the guy started to spray the product on like crazy and bathed the entire panel in spray wax. It was dripping all over the place. He started to wipe it and he was upset because the towel got wet in no time and he hated working with soaked towels. At the end he said "it's a ****** stuff, because you have to use far too much, you have to change towels after every panel, so it's crap".



- Second was a similar turn, but this guy used a MF applicator after he bathed the panel to spread the product around. He shook his head in disbelief and he didn't understand why he was doing it. He put down the applicator and let the product haze... I didn't want to interrupt him so I followed the story and boy, it was fascinating! After a couple of minutes he started to wipe it down when a few dried spots were visible on the surface. The guy was swearing quite a bit, and wiped the surface so hard that the towel left marks on the finish. Again, "what a #&@ß$ product".



I've found both cases absolutely unbelievable and can't explain what these guys were *thinking* (although these processes must have been strictly simplified mechanical versions of the original bioelectric one).



The I demoed them that you have to spritz once, and lightly buff until it disappears. Rusty cogs started to move in the brains, emergency power was back. There was no blinding lighbulb yet, but they started to crank their own little built-in dynamo to produce light... They asked "is it enough?", "how do you know if it's enough?". Well, if it's slick everywhere, the film is established and the actives are there.
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Thnx Bence and all for your feedback.



It is definitely weird but as I mentioned its only weird on one car.



On the other car, it worked as advertised (easy on and easy off) and yes following the directions.



I'll be trying again of course. I have a feeling that the black car would need some claying.



Thnx again.
 
corrswitch, certain products can cause slight incompatibility issues. Try to filter out these one by one. What was the previous soap, LSP, QD; possibility of contamination, etc.



OCW I was sensitive to separation as Scott said and when you used the unshaken product, it left ugly smears, and stubborn residue. Always shake a detailing product! Make it a habit.
 
Bence said:
corrswitch, certain products can cause slight incompatibility issues. Try to filter out these one by one. What was the previous soap, LSP, QD; possibility of contamination, etc.



OCW I was sensitive to separation as Scott said and when you used the unshaken product, it left ugly smears, and stubborn residue. Always shake a detailing product! Make it a habit.
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Thnx Bence,



The weird thing is that I had poli-seal on it first, washed with ONR.

Everything should be compatible.

I shook it as well but next time I'll do some extra shaking.



I do notice some white particles after spraying. I assume that's the carnauba.



If I'm not supposed to see them...that might mean I did not shake it enough...but I saw the particles on the other car that worked fine...



Thanks again.
 
corrswitch said:
Thnx Bence,



The weird thing is that I had poli-seal on it first, washed with ONR.

Everything should be compatible.

I shook it as well but next time I'll do some extra shaking.



I do notice some white particles after spraying. I assume that's the carnauba.



If I'm not supposed to see them...that might mean I did not shake it enough...but I saw the particles on the other car that worked fine...



Thanks again.
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Corrswitch, it's our weather and our colour, I am from Toronto and have a black car too. :dance



I just use opti seal, then top it with OCW. After hearing what everyone suggested, I think I may have applied too much? I will try the 2 towel method too. I suck in this!!!
 
citanest said:
Corrswitch, it's our weather and our colour, I am from Toronto and have a black car too. :dance



I just use opti seal, then top it with OCW. After hearing what everyone suggested, I think I may have applied too much? I will try the 2 towel method too. I suck in this!!!
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Oh cool, you're in Toronto as well :)



Yeah, then it has to be our weather and our colour :P
 
I`ve had the same issues on my black Jag, buffs to a shine great but catch the light right and there are `brown streaks` under the shine which can be removed but with extra effort or a Qd. :nixweiss
 
corrswitch said:
Thnx Bence,



The weird thing is that I had poli-seal on it first, washed with ONR.

Everything should be compatible.

I shook it as well but next time I'll do some extra shaking.



I do notice some white particles after spraying. I assume that's the carnauba.



If I'm not supposed to see them...that might mean I did not shake it enough...but I saw the particles on the other car that worked fine...



Thanks again.
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Never saw any particles in it...



Ask this on optimumforums from Dr.G himself.
 
Gave OCW (ver 2 I think) a go for the first time last night on VW Black Magic Pearl after Optimum Finish Polish.



Started on the hood; spritzed lightly, then spread, then buffed, and had serious streaking and spotting issues. Really disappointing. Shook the bottle well prior to use. Figured I had to be faster and go even lighter.



Got the hang of it on the following panels. Not waiting to move to buffing was the key. Spritz, spread, and then immediately go to a dry towel. Made a BIG difference. I could still see some faint streaking but I'm sure with a wash in the coming days it will be gone.



On a side note, that Finish Polish results in a great shine but getting it off the paint was tough. Be sure to have a lot of micro fiber handy, nothing but freshest micro would remove it fully. If it had been used on a panel prior I could NOT get the panel acceptably clean.
 
I had some issues today on a black Thunderbird. The surface was prepped Poli-Seal. A few light spritzes per panel and using one MF to spread, and another to buff was getting me uneven patches, streaking and spotting.



I think I waited too long between spreading and buffing with the dry MF, or not buffing enough of it off with the first MF.
 
PCG said:
On a side note, that Finish Polish results a great shine but getting it off the paint was tough. Be sure to have a lot of micro fiber handy, nothing but freshest micro would remove it fully. If it had been used on a panel prior I could NOT get the panel acceptably clean.
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Iv'e been using the plush side of one MF to go over each panel after OF, then following with the shorter nap side of another MF to go over it again. Works pretty well, but it is definitely a two towel removal, somewhat like using Meguiars #7.
 
citanest said:
Hi there,

I have been using OCW for some time now but never seem to get it right. I use MF towel as per the instruction. I always find myself leaving some spots and they are difficult to be removed once it's dried.

I will just have to wait until the next car wash and get them off.

Am I apply too much or should I try using an applicating pad instead?

Can some experts show me the light?



thanks.

RC
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corrswitch said:
Hi RC,



I've found the same thing as well.

It dries pretty quickly and its still slick but has some sort of hazing effect...not sure if I described it correctly.



Buffing it over and over again removes some of it but not all.

I found that if I use a detailer spray, re-dry some areas, I get get more of it off but it takes quite some time.



I can't tell if I have 2.0 or 1.0...



The problem happens mainly on black cars. On a Silver car, it worked fine but maybe its because its hard to see.



Thanks RC, I thought I was the only one.
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toyotaguy said:
I have the same problem, hence the reason my OCW v2 has been sitting on the shelf about 97% full for about 8 months now...



I would mist it on the panel, use a MF to wipe it off, and there would be streaky residue, and spots all over! I had to get out the QD and do a lot of rubbing to remove, which defeats the whole purpose!



OCW v1 was an amazing product! shouldn't have changed it at all!!!
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PaintPolisher said:
I have had the same issue with ocw flashing either too fast or leaving streaks and spots. I added 1 ounce of water to the bottle and have not had an issue since.
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Been there, done that. I used OCW religiously. I actually REALLY like it. 9 out of 10 times it is one of the easiest products you will ever use. BUT, I noticed if you spray it on the car it would sometimes dry in the spots where it landed before you could even wipe it (working on a cold, freshly washed vehicle in a garage).



I would have to spray more OCW to re-wet it and then it would wipe away.



I found this to be particularly pronounced when the temperatures were lower than 65 degrees or so.



Then I tried Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Wax. Now I have a gallon of OCW sitting on my shelf...



UQW is OCW on steroids IMO. Easier to apply and remove, smells better, leaves a photographic darkness on the paint, and sheets water way better.
 
Just an update. Tried again today and great weather and it was cooler.



The results are a little better. In some areas it had the problem again on the hood but overall, I'm getting the hang of it.

I broke out some better microfibers and it was working better.



I'll keep trying. Thanks all for your feedback and advice.
 
Lumadar said:
Then I tried Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Wax. Now I have a gallon of OCW sitting on my shelf...



UQW is OCW on steroids IMO. Easier to apply and remove, smells better, leaves a photographic darkness on the paint, and sheets water way better.
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I agree.. UQW is a real nice product. I could do without Meguiar's fine mist sprayer, though. It's nice in theory, but using it when there's a breeze is a pita. Plus, it's so fine that it's hard to see how much you've applied and where it is on the panel.
 
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