Noobie BFWD user Q's

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Cliff330i: That's pretty discouraging. I have heard from other people with conflicting stories from Maguiar's representitives. I don't know who or what to believe now.</blockquote>

Whatever looks good and protects! If someone tries it and it works, I'll trust that more than what a Meguiar's rep. says.
 
Meguiar's customer service is excellent when it comes to the types of questions that are asked commonly, like "Is Gold Class wax glossier than #26?" or "should I do #7 or #9 first to prep my paint?"



But once I asked them about the diminishing abrasives in their Body Shop Professional Dual Action Polish and also what the difference was between BSP Swirl-Free polish and SMR 2.0 and basically the person didn't know and told me I shouldn't be using their BSP line unless I work in a body-shop. I guess a lot of it would depend on which rep happens to answer your call.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Cliff330i [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>That's pretty discouraging. I have heard from other people with conflicting stories from Maguiar's representitives. I don't know who or what to believe now. [/b]</blockquote>
<strong class='bbc'>Cliff330i [/b] - I'll tell you, I've been using No. 20 for over 12 years. On my parents car, I apply it twice, and with their driving it about 12000 miles a year here in Detroit, and their washing habits (rince the car thourghly but try to conserve "expensive water" anyway, and taking it in the winter through whatever commercial car wash is handy) I get <strong class='bbc'>at least [/b]six months to a year out of it, and on my cars I get six to twelve months out of two to three coats of No. 20. As far as teh No. 7 - I still like using it after the No. 9, and before the No. 20. Works great for me, especially now with the PC.

As far as using the No. 26 as a topper - go ahead and do it. It <strong class='bbc'>can't hurt[/b] and on medium to dark paint, it looks great.

The one thing that is certain is that you can't hurt the car trying it out.

<strong class='bbc'>Intermezzo330I[/b] is also 100% right. The answers you get out of customer service (any customer service for that matter) depends on who you get on the phone.
 
Len, I agree totally. Can't hurt to try. I am beginning to believe those who have tried combinations and are getting results rather than what is "supposed" to happen per Maguiar's reps. Thanks.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by 31st330i [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>why not just bypass the #20 + #26 and head straight for Medallion? [/b]</blockquote>
Because the No. 20 outlast the Medallion by a long time. I've never had Medallion last more than a month, maybe a month and a half. Then it just stops beading water. Six months is the <strong class='bbc'>least[/b] I've had No. 20 last. Even the No. 26 in paste form outlasts Medallion.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Len_A [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Because the No. 20 outlast the Medallion by a long time. I've never had Medallion last more than a month, maybe a month and a half. Then it just stops beading water. Six months is the <strong class='bbc'>least[/b] I've had No. 20 last. Even the No. 26 in paste form outlasts Medallion. [/b]</blockquote>
hmmm.... my experience is different. I find that medallion lasts 3-4 months, as stated by Meguiar's. it may have something to do with the car wash that we use. I buy #62 by the gallon, which is supposed to have paint conditioners in it.

I tend to neglect our Subaru Forester more (washing it an average of once every 3 weeks) than the BMW. the Subaru started showing signs of needing a fresh coat of wax at about 3+ months. but I let it go for another 1 or 2 before actually waxing it again. in fact, when I waxed it last weekend (after about 5 months) it still beaded water while I was washing it.

sounds like a clasic case of "YMMV."

I know there seems to be a little mistrust around here for statements made by their tech support but they did tell me that Medallion is their best broduct and that it is a polymer + their best carnauba in one product. #20 is supposed to be a step down from Medallion as it is a srtaight polymer (presumably the same one as in Medallion) but they both are supposed to last equally as long. this is according to Meguiar's anyway.
 
did you use medallion a long time ago. I know that initially the product was rumored to be mediocre at best but the stuff that you get now is supposed to be much better. if you have a friend with a recently purchased bottle, perhaps you can give it another try. if you're in the SF bay area, I'll glady give you a some to try.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by 31st330i [/i]
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hmmm.... my experience is different. I find that medallion lasts 3-4 months, as stated by Meguiar's. it may have something to do with the car wash that we use. I buy #62 by the gallon, which is supposed to have paint conditioners in it.

I tend to neglect our Subaru Forester more (washing it an average of once every 3 weeks) than the BMW. the Subaru started showing signs of needing a fresh coat of wax at about 3+ months. but I let it go for another 1 or 2 before actually waxing it again. in fact, when I waxed it last weekend (after about 5 months) it still beaded water while I was washing it.

sounds like a clasic case of "YMMV."

I know there seems to be a little mistrust around here for statements made by their tech support but they did tell me that Medallion is their best broduct and that it is a polymer + their best carnauba in one product. #20 is supposed to be a step down from Medallion as it is a srtaight polymer (presumably the same one as in Medallion) but they both are supposed to last equally as long. this is according to Meguiar's anyway. [/b]</blockquote>
I still have had the No. 20 last at least 6 months. They told me the same thing - that Medallion was their best product, but one of their reps did tell me that alot of it is personal preference (<strong class='bbc'> NO!![/b] Really?!?!?! LOL!!), and that what works well for one person doesn't satisfy another (<strong class='bbc'> Really??!!??[/b] ).

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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by 31st330i [/i]
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did you use medallion a long time ago. I know that initially the product was rumored to be mediocre at best but the stuff that you get now is supposed to be much better. if you have a friend with a recently purchased bottle, perhaps you can give it another try. if you're in the SF bay area, I'll glady give you a some to try [/b]</blockquote>I tried when it first came out, and then last summer. Smelled great, but I still didn't like the fact that it didn't last as long as the No. 20. I didn't think that the shine was any better than the No. 26 either.
 
well, in my case, the meguiar's support person that I spoke to volunteered (before knowing that both of my cars were white) that he prefers the #20 on his white car. If I don't completely switch to Zaino or Klasse, I'll be replentishing with #20. zaino is really tempting at this point but a lot more money than the meguiar's.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by 31st330i [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>well, in my case, the meguiar's support person that I spoke to volunteered (before knowing that both of my cars were white) that he prefers the #20 on his white car. If I don't completely switch to Zaino or Klasse, I'll be replentishing with #20. zaino is really tempting at this point but a lot more money than the meguiar's. [/b]</blockquote>
I hear you on the price issue. I can get No. 20 locally for $12 a bottle. Yes, I said $12 a bottle, plus local sales tax. That's a lot lower than the $16 a bottle plus shipping I see on the web.

Klasse, Zaino, and Blackfire are probably great, but with two Meguiars sources ten minutes from my house, and as inexpensive as the local pricing is, there's no way I'm going to switch.
 
Where do you get your #20 locally? Is it at an auto parts chain like Pep Boys, or do you go to a body paint shop? $12 a bottle is superb!
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Chuckmotor [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Where do you get your #20 locally? Is it at an auto parts chain like Pep Boys, or do you go to a body paint shop? $12 a bottle is superb! [/b]</blockquote>
I get it from a local auto parts chain called Murray's Auto Parts, and also from a body paint shop called Painters Supply. Both of them are around $12 ~ $12.99 per bottle. Figure Michigan's wonderful 6% sales tax, and it's still a bargain compared to Klasse, Blackfire, and Zaino. Frankly, with No. 20, and a No. 26 paste wax topper, I'm not sure I could tell the difference from any of the others, and I sure am not spending as much money.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Len_A [/i]
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I get it from a local auto parts chain called Murray's Auto Parts, and also from a body paint shop called Painters Supply. Both of them are around $12 ~ $12.99 per bottle. Figure Michigan's wonderful 6% sales tax, and it's still a bargain compared to Klasse, Blackfire, and Zaino. Frankly, with No. 20, and a No. 26 paste wax topper, I'm not sure I could tell the difference from any of the others, and I sure am not spending as much money. [/b]</blockquote>
yep, Murray's at 12 bucks, and I use Finishmaster sometimes too (get all my 3M stuff from them, as well as my meguiar's PC pads)..... they are I believe 13 for the same product.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Len_A [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I hear you on the price issue. I can get No. 20 locally for $12 a bottle. Yes, I said $12 a bottle, plus local sales tax. That's a lot lower than the $16 a bottle plus shipping I see on the web.

Klasse, Zaino, and Blackfire are probably great, but with two Meguiars sources ten minutes from my house, and as inexpensive as the local pricing is, there's no way I'm going to switch. [/b]</blockquote>
I know I'm splitting hairs here but that's why we're here.... to geek out on detailing. :p

anyway, convenience and price may win out in the end and I may stay with meguiar's (moving from medallion to #20).
 
My first post. I'm stoked in getting my BF Reference Kit after reading raving reviews. I have 2 questions I need help with before using it please:

1) I just polished a car about a month ago using some stuff called Nano (liquid polish). Now trying the BF Sealant, is it best to use the clay to help remove the old Nano polish, or do I just polish over it with the BF polish then Seal it?

2) There's a waiting period (8-12 hours) after applying the sealant before using the BF wax. Here in FL beachside we have salt in the air 24-7 that coats everything, even in the garage. Is it safe to throw a sheet over the newly applied sealant areas or will it leach into the sheet. Any info is appreciated.

Thanks.....
 
jdonnell said:
My first post. I'm stoked in getting my BF Reference Kit after reading raving reviews. I have 2 questions I need help with before using it please:

1) I just polished a car about a month ago using some stuff called Nano (liquid polish). Now trying the BF Sealant, is it best to use the clay to help remove the old Nano polish, or do I just polish over it with the BF polish then Seal it?
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Is this the Menzerna Nano Polish? If yes, this is just a polish; it's not a sealant. There's nothing to remove. Wash your car and apply BWD.

2) There's a waiting period (8-12 hours) after applying the sealant before using the BF wax. Here in FL beachside we have salt in the air 24-7 that coats everything, even in the garage. Is it safe to throw a sheet over the newly applied sealant areas or will it leach into the sheet. Any info is appreciated.
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I don't know about the sheet. I'd probably either quick detail the car or just wash it again (probably the latter) before applying the Midnight Sun. But I do not have any experience with detailing cars at the beach.

Have fun. You are going to love the Fire & Ice look.
 
Congrats on getting BlackFire Products ! They are really good at what they are designed for.

If you already clay bar'd the car and then polished it very recently, then you are good to go. If you have never claybar'd the car, then this would be very helpful in removing alot of gunk out of your paint, leave it much more smoother, and allow the BFWD to stick better to the paint.

Normally, we would wash, claybar, paint correct, polish, maybe jewel the paint, and then apply the wax, sealant, etc., in layers as required.

Yes, it would be good to know exactly what the "Nano" polish is - is this from the Prima Label of products ?

You can actually put the BlackFire Midnight Sun after 8 hours of applying the BlackFire Wet Diamond, believe it says this on the back of the bottle.
I think it says something like - wait 8 hours or overnight -

I also agree with Akimel and many others, that the look of both these products is going to be amazing, as long as you have prepared the finish properly beforehand.

These products really bring metallic paint to life as well as any solid color - pretty hard to beat !

Good luck with your project, if you have time, or need further questions/comments to bounce off of someone, the light is always on. :)

Dan F
 
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