New Products - Open Minds

[JaredPointer]

And just let it be noted, that I do like to spend money on boutique detailing products. Don't want anyone to think I am steering people to OTC versus the stuff Troy, Autogeek, Poorboy or any of our fine sponsors sells. Given the choice, I'll gladly spend money with Troy, Steve and the AG team anytime. I'm just saying I think it has a great deal ore to do with how you use it than what it is you use.

 

[Troy@Protekt]

The problem here Troy is you or I could easily assemble any number of vendors who would argue that thier products contain the "best ingredients". Their products will provide the best/longest/ protectction and the best appearance.

That is what consumer reviews and forums like this are for.

I also have the advantages of knowing first hand what ingredients go in some of the products I use because I have worked for the company who made them and I have been the one following the recipe.

I also know the philosophy of the chemist so I can feel comfortable knowing the best ingredients were sought and tested for these products.

I think most of us here look for quality in our products. I know I also look for value. And as you describe paying a premium for a product (or service) does not guarantee a corresponding ratio of quality over a lesser priced product.

Point made and agreed with.

But you could just as easily be wrong. It is widely documented (you know those women are pretty smart consumers) that in the cosmetics industry a substantially lesser priced product will perform as well as, if not better than, a high end "boutique" (that one's for Charles) product.

I think you are giving women too much credit.:yikes:

The whole reason women's hygene items are priced higher than men's is because they care more about it and therefore can be convinced to spend the extra money on a product of equal value.

Suave uses cheaper ingredients to make their shampoo than most of the salon products. That is a guess but I'm willing to wager quite a bit of money on it. As Papa John likes to say' "Better Ingredients, Better Pizza".

 

[JohnHenry]

I've always admired that lovely sheen in your hair, Troy! I must try some Suave. :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

[Mr. Clean]

That is what consumer reviews and forums like this are for. ...

To an extent that is true. What we get sometimes are people fawning over products (both individual products as well as entire product lines) basing their opinions on other's opinions and really not having much in the way of a foundation of using a variety of products.

...Point made and agreed with....

Glad you agree since it was at least in part agreeing with your point. :rofl

...I think you are giving women too much credit.:yikes:....

Or you may be underestimating them...Yeah, you'd better duck!

...The whole reason women's hygene items are priced higher than men's is because they care more about it and therefore can be convinced to spend the extra money on a product of equal value.:....

Not necessarily true. There are a number of high end skin care / hygiene product lines for men. Check out some of the shaving forums.

...Suave uses cheaper ingredients to make their shampoo than most of the salon products. That is a guess but I'm willing to wager quite a bit of money on it. As Papa John likes to say' "Better Ingredients, Better Pizza".

I can't speak specifically to Suave's ingredients vs. salon products, but those are the exact products whose performance is equalled and even bettered by lesser know products which cost less.

And the reference of Papa John, really helps to make my point for me. A vendor/mfg claiming better ingredients better product better results. But better than who/what? I've had Papa John's pizza, and believe me I've had better.

 

[EcoAutoCT]

I semi subscribe to the 'if it aint broke' mentality and really only insist that a manufacturer or retailer do one simple thing- prove it. I'm a professional, my income is based on efficiency and results. If a product is developed with the intent to replace another already in an arsenal like mine it will have to produce better results, faster and easier than what I've got already.

I had a longer reply written, but it got a little stale and may or may not have insulted some people. Not necessarily posters in this thread, but a certain detailing demographic and respective product manufacturers.

 

[njcarting1]

If I had followed that recommendation, I would have missed out on a lot of good products.
I would still be cleaning tires with Bleche-White, Washing with Zip Wax and waxing with Rain Dance.

So whats the problem with that ? Did it work ? :inspector:

 

[CharlesW]

So whats the problem with that ? Did it work ? :inspector:

Yes, and quite well.
The big reason for my change was finding Meguiar's professional line. OTC as a matter of fact. I used Meguiar's Medallion Premium Paint Protection for 10 or 12 years. I never considered the MPPP to be boutique, but it was close to $20 a pint back in the 80s.
Had it not been for staining trim, I might still be using Meguiar's. I did think the original NXT made the red on our Pontiac look darker and I stopped using it because of that. That car has very little black plastic trim to stain.

 

[njcarting1]

I firmly believe that about process versus product, and I'd be up for the challenge of using OTC versus boutique and seeing who could really tell a difference. I would venture to say that just looking at photos on the forum, no one would be bale tell. I'd go so far as to say if it was done right, no one could tell just by looking in person either.

4 SURE, big big big and mo money make things better with some or most. That's why the economy is the way it is... :wow:

I am sure when I run out of a tire cleaner I can find one or two to get me through. I am sure most waxes will look quite good after the pc gets done also. :notme: Its nice to have options but many after spending the big cash seem to have nothing to crow about. :crazy2: :surrender :notme:

 

[Bunky]

I did think the original NXT made the red on our Pontiac look darker and I stopped using it because of that. That car has very little black plastic trim to stain.

I saw a video where Barry Meguiar said that NXT was designed to darken paint on purpose so blacks looked blacker.

 

[JohnHenry]

I beg to differ, BenzDetailer. I'm probably as small a customer as AG ever sees and they have always treated me like a million bucks.

As much as we enjoy these forums, we do not own them. They comprise an expense item that is part of the companies' overall marketing effort. If Troy, Max, David B or Jack K do not like the tone of a post or thread, or if they see inordinate promotion of competitive products, they have every right to delete info, ban members, or pretty much anything else they please.

You want free speech? Get a soapbox.

 

[CharlesW]

This thread wasn't started or intended to be the "Bash AG Thread".
If people want to debate the merits of AG, start your own thread.
My censorship of my thread can consist of removing posts or deleting the entire thread.
Read the Forum Rules.

Rule #1. Arguing, slamming, bashing or profanity in the public forums will not be tolerated at all and may result in immediate membership termination. This includes complaining in public about the website, website ownership and the moderator staff. We highly encourage healthy debate and intelligent conversation and members are expected to be polite and courteous at all times. If you feel that you are being attacked, harrassed or stalked at anytime, let a moderator or the administrator know about it and the problem will be addressed ASAP.

 

[GearHead_1]

This is America Home of the free!

This is true but both AutoGeek and Detail City are privately owned forums. If you think that you can come over to DC and start slamming AutoGeek you will be disappointed. That's 3 posts today taking a shot at AutoGeek. They are a valued sponsor here and the majority of the members that have done business with them like them. Just so we're up front about this, I didn't edit your other post, I deleted it. Consider yourself warned.