New plan of attack...

Intermezo:



Here's a comparison of the kaolin percentages:



#20: 8-12%

#26: 5-10%

GC: 5-15%

It appears GC does contain the highest maximum percentage, although #20 appears to contain the highest minimum percentage.



GC has 5% more Kaolin than #26, and contains 1-5% Carnauba.



Do you think GC can be layered-up?



So far GC has lastest longer than Mother's Original Cleaner/Carnauba. I haven't used any other waxes.
 
Metroplex,



What was the point of all this? Your initial post stated you wanted other opinions of your detailing regimen. I think you got that. But then you turned this into a demonstration of your internet searching skills. Well, congratulations. Your use of Google is quite impressive.



But so what? You initially stated you wanted to use NuFinish and Gold Class with IHG. Where's all the CAS info on NuFinish? I mean, you posted all the info on Meguiar's stuff, why not that?



And what does any of this have to do with the products you're gonna use on your car? You like Meguiar's - great. You don't like Meguiar's - great. Use whatever you want. You got some suggestions and comments. Take them for what they're worth.
 
FYI I didn't use Google. I had links to MSDS databases when I worked with chemicals.



Anyhow, I don't know if you can read or not but I posted something regarding NuFinish in this forum.



NuFinish contains 10% stoddard solvents and 1% petro distillates.

http://hazard.com/msds/f/blc/blctm.html



You can DRINK NuFinish (no ingestion hazard).



So much for NuFinish being a strong product? You can't drink any of the Meguiars products (GC, 26, 20)

I'm not basing the performance of these products on their toxicology reports.



But yes, I'm still trying to determine the optimal wax of protecting my paint finish.



I'm just trying to make the most educated decision possible (by examining the components of each product as much as humanly possible).
 
NuFinish's MSDS wasn't from NuFinish, so I'll try to get one from Reed-Union Corporation.



According to their ingredients list, it contains 1% Solvent 140 (petro distillates),



Solvent 140 is an aliphatic solvent that contains:

65% paraffin

24% monocycloparaffins

and about 7% benzenes/naptha/hydrocarbon based stuff.



So unless the other 80% of NuFinish is composed of highly toxic and strong Naptha/hydrocarbons, I don't see how its even harsher than 3M IHG.
 
This was from the MSDS sheet you linked too



"First Aid: EYES:FLUSH WITH WATER FOR AT LEAST 15 MINUTES. SKIN:WIPE OFF & FLUSH WITH WATER. INHAL:REMOVE TO FRESH AIR. GET MD. INGEST:GET MD IMMEDIATELY."



It says for ingestion to seek doctor immediately sounds bad too me.



As for OTC products and washing & waxing 2-3 times a year, under $10 a bottle, long lasting, easy to apply and remove...I do not know of a product that will last the 4-6 months, is under$10, and then easy to apply and remove.



Nufinish & Liquid Glass come to mind but are more that $10.
 
metroplex said:
Do you think GC can be layered-up?
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I've never been a believer in the layerability of any wax....cleaner or no cleaner. There might be marginal improvement, but with such a high-solvent content, you're not getting any true layering.



Like I said before, just because NuFinish is 11% solvents doesn't mean it doesn't contain strong cleaners.



Bret...thanks for stepping in. I think you've echoed a lot of my sentiments with your post.



Metro, it sounds like you've got all the info you need to make the best choice for your car. Let us know how it goes.
 
Guess my name:



Health Hazards Data

=======================================================

LD50 LC50 Mixture: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.

Route Of Entry Inds - Inhalation: YES

Skin: YES

Ingestion: NO

Carcinogenicity Inds - NTP: NO

IARC: NO

OSHA: NO

Effects of Exposure: EYES:MAY IRRIT W/SLIGHT PAIN, REDNESS & POSS MINOR

CORNEAL INJURY. SKIN:SINGLE EXPOS FOR SEVERAL HRS MAY CAUSE SLIGHT REDDENING.

LONGER/RPTD CNTCTS MAY CAUSE MOD IRRIT & POSS MILD BURN & INJURY DUE

TO ABSORPTION. INHAL:SHORT EXPOS MAY CAUSE SLIGHT ANESTH & POSS SOME

INJURY, DEPENDING ON CONC & LENGTH (EFTS OF OVEREXP)
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Notice there's no effect of exposure for ingestion. They're asking you to see a doctor because well, you just drank Nu Finish car polish - that isn't normal!!! The FDA hasn't approved it!



Intermezzo: I'm going to request the MSDS for Nu Finish from the manufacturer. The one on the net is about 11 years old and is hardly a real MSDS.



I'm going to just buy a bottle of NuFinish and test it out while I'm waiting for the sheet. A friend of mine says he has used that on his 94 Crown Vic and his Mustang GT for years (3M Imperial Hand Glaze, then layers of NuFinish)... I don't know how true this is but I'll give it a whirl.



Thanks a lot for the insight tho!
 
Actually the section you quoted:



"Route Of Entry Inds " is well just that.



Possible ways the human body can have the chemical enter through normal use. This is provided to workers so they caqn identify which type of chemical protection they should wear.



HTH and Good Luck!:xyxthumbs
 
Intermezzo, in one of your posts, you mentioned using #26, but only the liquid form. Why? Ease of use, durability, or shine? I have always preferred paste carnauba, because they have fewer solvent (don't have to keep it liquid) and are more economical. And all the higher end waxes like PPG, Souveran, Blitz, and P21S are all pastes. Just wondering, as I am about to experiment with some carnaubas, and was going to get some GC paste, or #26 paste, but after your post, I am hesitant. FWIW, I have no problem with ease of use of paste waxes, so that's not an issue. I find paste wax actually easier to regulate the amount, compared to squirting it out of a bottle.
 
wheels,



I would agree that it is generally better to use waxes that are in paste form due to issues relating to their required solvent content. However, I've read several reviews stating that #26 in its paste form is a PITA to buff out. I've only used it in the liquid form and it was a breeze to buff out and was pretty satisfied with the shine.



HTH
 
I prefer liquid waxes/polishes because its easy/clean to dispense and the risk of having contaminants fly into the supply is reduced significantly.



When you open a can of paste wax and you're using it, sometimes wind can blow particles into the wax and you'll have to dig it out, etc... The liquid stuff just squirts out.



I find that its a PITA when I'm polishing my boots because sometimes dirt/sand can fly into the polish and before you know it, you've just made sandpaper. :(
 
Hmmm....good points by both of you. Thanks Inter, for relating that experience. I think I'll start a new thread about #26 in paste form and see what the collective wisdom of Autopians has to say.
 
I can't argue about whether or not the paste/liquid is easier to remove, but I'm a firm believer in keeping the polish/wax supply clean and free of grit. It's tiresome to close and re-open the lid on a paste wax and not everyone has the luxury of waxing/washing in a clean room environment like a well sealed garage w/ enough lighting. I have to detail my car in the driveway - and sometimes the wind picks up crap. The liquid is just more convenient.
 
Ya know..................



You could always place the lid back on the container of paste wax to cover it from airborne particles. I do this with Souveran.



OOPS.....sorry...... there I go again, with my get-to-the-point bottom line common sense.



I'll leave now.....................;)



Try covering it with a towel between applications............oh crap.........sorry..........what do I know.............leaving for sure now.
 
Does this answer your question?



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The NuFinish applicator is completely black; IHG is only brown because of its brown coloring. Oh, and NuFinish's liquid is not black... I believe its a peachy-white color.



In a nutshell... I really wouldn't use NuFinish on new cars, even if you can drink it. Maybe its low in powerful chemicals/solvents but high in abrasives.



Just like the opposite of AIO...
 
Just to clear this up, I drank some Nufinish about 15 minutes ago...I feel okay so far...



:) I'll keep you posted...:xyxthumbs
 
You could always place the lid back on the container of paste wax to cover it from airborne particles. I do this with Souveran.
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Like I said before, you can do that but it gets tiresome after you do it 3000 times. :rolleyes:



What is that black stuff on the rag? Engine oil????
 
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