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TortoiseAWD
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Spam, indeed. The link has been removed.01bluecls said:
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SuperBee364
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From the thread http://autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/90706-i-think-i-screwed-up.html
I must say I'm really wondering about how qualified this guy is to work on a Bentley.
envirocbr said:
I must say I'm really wondering about how qualified this guy is to work on a Bentley.
mikelea4ever
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Hmmmmm!!!! Bentley ha????? Good luck!!!!!!
From a consumer point of view, this type of thing scares the heck out of me. Imagine contracting what you think is a professional detailer and he has less knowlege/experience than yourself!
The web site is very misleading. I can see myself looking for a handyman and finding what I think is a professional web site then have the person mess up my house. Same thing.
To the OP, I would stick to using a PC for mild to mederate swirls and leave the rotary for people with experience or until you yourself get the on hands experience needed. If any of your costumers know anything about cars, you may soon find yourself in a lot of trouble. Specially since you seem to be doing mostly high-end cars.
The web site is very misleading. I can see myself looking for a handyman and finding what I think is a professional web site then have the person mess up my house. Same thing.
To the OP, I would stick to using a PC for mild to mederate swirls and leave the rotary for people with experience or until you yourself get the on hands experience needed. If any of your costumers know anything about cars, you may soon find yourself in a lot of trouble. Specially since you seem to be doing mostly high-end cars.
SuperBee364
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Yeah... wow... he doesn't know what claying does, thinks that 2,000 rpm is a comfortable area to be working in(!!!!), removed more clear coat on one car in one session than I think most people would remove in four, and now he's going to tackle a Bentley.
Sir, you really need to continue your education a bit before continuing on. There is a VERY REAL risk that you will severely damage someone's prized possesion. If you aren't very well insured, it may cost you far more than the time and money you would spend on learning to detail correctly.
Your statements here clearly reveal that you are not at the level you need to be at to be detaling anyone's car for money, let alone high end exotics.
Sir, you really need to continue your education a bit before continuing on. There is a VERY REAL risk that you will severely damage someone's prized possesion. If you aren't very well insured, it may cost you far more than the time and money you would spend on learning to detail correctly.
Your statements here clearly reveal that you are not at the level you need to be at to be detaling anyone's car for money, let alone high end exotics.
imported_themightytimmah
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You might want to consider putting rotary polishing on hold until someone can get you up to speed on it... a UDM would be an excellent purchase for you as the Edge (automagic) pad setup is rated for it - it will give you some of the power of a rotary without the worry of having to pay out a repaint (they're not cheap, and a Bentley owner will probably elect to do it at the dealer - you're looking at 2 grand or more for one panel probably, as it's going to require a lot of wet sanding/extra clear to match the factory finish).
It's good to have a UDM around to finish with too - sometimes the rotary just doesn't want to do soft paints without leaving hologramming, no matter how hard you try.
It's good to have a UDM around to finish with too - sometimes the rotary just doesn't want to do soft paints without leaving hologramming, no matter how hard you try.
Actually I was taught by someone who uses his rotary at 2,000 rpm and produces quality workmanship. He even said slower speeds are normal for some, but that no one person could ever tell you otherwise.
Furthurmore - I don't have to sit here on a internet forum and explain myself, or my qualifications...it will prove what................?
I have used a rotary with success not only on my own car, but the Z8 I posted about, I did not screw up, it is merely myself being overly "worried" especially when I have clients with high end cars like those.
I will never claim to be a perfectionist, or even a "master" detailer. Anyone who is so arrogant to claim to be one is a moron.
Not to dis-respect this web site, but detailing existed years before someone thought of this site and will so after this site.
This is NOT a one stop go here all your questions answered perfectly site. cause someone is going to have different products and techniques and you cannot say that someone using a rotary at even 2,500 RPM is screwing something up because your not there and guess what your not all that.
So, deflate your internet puffed out chest, slow your roll. What makes you anymore qualified to work on a McLaren SLR or M5 than I? Who are you?
But just like any Internet forum you get the same gathering of unoriginal morons, who god forbid they don't use your product line your wrong and don't know what your doing.
Whoever made the comment "Find an Autopian" what if I find someone who looks at me cross eyed yet does work on Ferrari's when I ask him if he is? Bottom line is you treat this place like it is "The THING" when it most certainly is NOT everything. There are plenty of people who are great at this line of work and have never even heard of this site...or even the internet!
That is so because one reason....OPINIONS - You will get 1000 different opinions on equipment, products, techniques and everything else. So please, I no longer want your opinion and you can shove it strictly where the sun don't shine.
Furthurmore - I don't have to sit here on a internet forum and explain myself, or my qualifications...it will prove what................?
I have used a rotary with success not only on my own car, but the Z8 I posted about, I did not screw up, it is merely myself being overly "worried" especially when I have clients with high end cars like those.
I will never claim to be a perfectionist, or even a "master" detailer. Anyone who is so arrogant to claim to be one is a moron.
Not to dis-respect this web site, but detailing existed years before someone thought of this site and will so after this site.
This is NOT a one stop go here all your questions answered perfectly site. cause someone is going to have different products and techniques and you cannot say that someone using a rotary at even 2,500 RPM is screwing something up because your not there and guess what your not all that.
So, deflate your internet puffed out chest, slow your roll. What makes you anymore qualified to work on a McLaren SLR or M5 than I? Who are you?
But just like any Internet forum you get the same gathering of unoriginal morons, who god forbid they don't use your product line your wrong and don't know what your doing.
Whoever made the comment "Find an Autopian" what if I find someone who looks at me cross eyed yet does work on Ferrari's when I ask him if he is? Bottom line is you treat this place like it is "The THING" when it most certainly is NOT everything. There are plenty of people who are great at this line of work and have never even heard of this site...or even the internet!
That is so because one reason....OPINIONS - You will get 1000 different opinions on equipment, products, techniques and everything else. So please, I no longer want your opinion and you can shove it strictly where the sun don't shine.
envirocbr said:
You just don't get it do you...what you are lacking is common sense my friend. Everyone knows that you don't detail a car at 2,000 rpm unless you want to basically strip the car of it's clearcoat. It's not a matter of people having different detailing techniques, it's about knowing how to use your equipment in a safe manner.
Seriously..I wish I lived in Florida so I could tell everyone about your services and how wrong you are with everything you say. You are lying to your customers and possibly even yourself; because I can't tell if you really believe in what you say or you are just trying to defend yourself...but do some research. We are all willing to help here, but if you are going to call yourself a detailer, not listen to other people when they tell you, you are detailing in an unsafe manner putting people's cars at risk..then maybe you came to the wrong forum. I am getting so flared up about this thread because it is hacks like you that make me angry...you sit here and say you are overly worried about the cars you are working on and that is why you post the threads you do...but dude...you just don't have the skills/information to detail with a rotary. I don't either, thats why I don't touch one. Nothing wrong with admitting that, 95% of the users here would rather use a PC and take their time than ruin someones finish. Why don't you just use a Porter Cable and more precaution....Seriously; we could all go on forever but really it won't help anything because it seems you are set in your ways. Just please post back when you burn through clear or when a client 2 years down the road says they have clearcoat failure thanks to your detailing skills.
Good luck man..you're going to need it - Just because you have a cleaning services business doesn't make you qualified to touch anyone's car. I wouldn't let you detail my lawn mower if you were going to bump it up to 2,500 rpm
SuperBee364
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Envirocbr, relax a bit. 
It is painfully obvious by your stated processes and questions that you are new to this whole thing. That's great, everyone is new sometime. All we are asking is that you take the time to learn how to do it right before you start having people pay you to work on their cars. That process you used on the BMW was, by all acccounts, WRONG. You ask every person on here, and they are gonna tell you it is just flat out wrong. There are so many things wrong with it, it's hard to know where to start. A good summary is that you removed way too much clear coat, and the process made absolutely no sense.
In that same post you stated that this was your first time with a rotary! Before you pick up a rotary, you should have some semblance of a process in your head before you place polishing head to paint.
And not knowing what claying will do to the finish of a car? That's very much Detailing 101; something you should know before you even pick up a PC.
Don't get all offended, man. Just take the time to learn, and don't learn on paying customer's cars. And especially don't learn on high dollar exotics!
And if you go take a stroll through the Click and Brag section, you'll quickly see that several of the members here really are "all that". The best of the best. Picus, Scottwax, sir wax alot, Rydawg, Accumulator and many, many others consistently produce beautiful cars from paintjob nightmares. You would do very well to listen closely when these people offer advice and direction.
Watch them. Study their processes.... ask questions.. learn their techniques. And with practice and patience, you'll be pulling off beautiful details that are much easier on the clear coat than the BMW you did.
I honestly wish you the best of luck in your business. I hope you'll take what you've read here in the spirit it was meant. It just might help avoid a potentially expensive mistake on a customer's car. Please, make sure you are insured before doing another car. There's even information in the Pros section on how to get the correct insurance!
It is painfully obvious by your stated processes and questions that you are new to this whole thing. That's great, everyone is new sometime. All we are asking is that you take the time to learn how to do it right before you start having people pay you to work on their cars. That process you used on the BMW was, by all acccounts, WRONG. You ask every person on here, and they are gonna tell you it is just flat out wrong. There are so many things wrong with it, it's hard to know where to start. A good summary is that you removed way too much clear coat, and the process made absolutely no sense.
In that same post you stated that this was your first time with a rotary! Before you pick up a rotary, you should have some semblance of a process in your head before you place polishing head to paint.
And not knowing what claying will do to the finish of a car? That's very much Detailing 101; something you should know before you even pick up a PC.
Don't get all offended, man. Just take the time to learn, and don't learn on paying customer's cars. And especially don't learn on high dollar exotics!
And if you go take a stroll through the Click and Brag section, you'll quickly see that several of the members here really are "all that". The best of the best. Picus, Scottwax, sir wax alot, Rydawg, Accumulator and many, many others consistently produce beautiful cars from paintjob nightmares. You would do very well to listen closely when these people offer advice and direction.
Watch them. Study their processes.... ask questions.. learn their techniques. And with practice and patience, you'll be pulling off beautiful details that are much easier on the clear coat than the BMW you did.
I honestly wish you the best of luck in your business. I hope you'll take what you've read here in the spirit it was meant. It just might help avoid a potentially expensive mistake on a customer's car. Please, make sure you are insured before doing another car. There's even information in the Pros section on how to get the correct insurance!
Brad B
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Ok everyone. I think we have worn this out.
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