Need Zaino shine, but protection of armor, how to accomplish?

[Nick T.]

I definately stripped all wax off the car, put it this way, i have a nice soft sponge I soaked with mineral spirits I rubbed the car down with after claying the car. It actually removed a lot of the spots the clay bar couldn't penetrate and dissolve!! Worked great and I recommend it to everyone. Just make sure your car is perfectly clean.:up



I used two coats of z-5 to remove as much micro marring as I could, then applied 2 coats of Z-2. The night I covered my car I washed the car down, then went the cover.



How is the gloss and reflective qualities of Zaino affected with different toppers? And what type of toppers are best?



And Klasse? Everyone always talks about it, but will it provide that extreme reflective quality silver cars need to look their best?

IMO the mineral spirits interfered with the bonding of the Zaino. A mineral spirit wipe-down should probably be followed with a dish detergent wash before applying a synthetic sealant.



Do not expect two layers of Z-5 to hide any marring. In my experience it will take 6-8 layers of Z-5 to have any effect on even the most minor of swirl marks.



I’ve been experimenting on different sections of my Jet Black paint; different synthetics topped with different carnaubas. Before that I played with different carnaubas on top of 30+ layers of Zaino. If you use a good quality carnauba (Souverän or P21S/S100) and apply very thin layers, you can add a lot of depth with little or no loss of reflectivity. Carnaubas with a higher oil content, such as Zymöl, do not work as well on the Zaino.



In my experience Klasse doesn’t quite come up to Zaino for reflectivity - at least on my black paint.



As always, YMMV!

 

[Deanski]

Well, I have to admit that I'm now going to try Pinnacle Souveran paste over the Zaino now. Just ordered it!



Zymol Japon has it's strengths and weakness, but after hearing and seeing what Pinnacle Souveran can do, well I fell victim to the reports on this product.



Can't wait to try the Menzerna FP as well. I have very slight swirls, only noticable in sunlight directly over the paint. So far this seems to be the best prep prior to Zaino/Souveran.



Also had to order the grey finish pad, as all I have are the Meguiars finish pads, which are OK, but always looking for a better pad.



Should be interesting over the Armorglove! Thank God I got that installed! The SC430 is just a stone magnet! Two already on the hood, two on the bumper/air-dam, and one hit a side mirror. All repaired prior to the glove. Boy, they do nice work! Can't see it unless you are directly over the hood!



I agree that the mineral spirits did that Zaino in! It did not have a chance to bond! The spirits would have to fully evaporate and leave a film. If anything, alcohol would have been a better choice, but as with any product, if in doubt, contact the mfg to be sure!



Looking forward to the Menzerna/Souveran to arrive! Should make this red look superb!



Regards,

Deanski

 

[thevolvoguy]

I have tried BF 1 & 2, Klasse, Einszett Glanz, and Liquid Glass as far as sealants go. None of them outlasted Zaino.



Is your car clearcoated or not? What color? Are you using ZFX & Z5 or Z1/Z2 (or another combo?) How long do you allow each application to set?



Remember, also that prep is the number one thing, your Zaino may not be bonding well do to contaminates or other paint imperfections. I would clay, compound, SMR (if needed), polish, wash again then try Zaino. But thats a chit load of work.



Keep us updated.

 

[imported_Smoker]

Do not expect two layers of Z-5 to hide any marring. In my experience it will take 6-8 layers of Z-5 to have any effect on even the most minor of swirl marks.





In my experience Klasse doesn’t quite come up to Zaino for reflectivity - at least on my black paint.



As always, YMMV!

Point 1 is exactly why I wont touch Zaino.

6-8 layers ???



30+ layers ????????????????????



ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.



I have more important things to do like ... clip my toenails.



Point 2 - Are you talking about SG or AIO?



AIO doesnt look half bad, but it looks 1000% better with UPP and S100 on the top.



Layered or not ...



Lastly .. I see you have a black painted vehicle.



Jngrbrd and myself are busy concocting an interesting new polish especially for black vehicles!



But shhh its top secret!

 

[Nick T.]

Point 1 is exactly why I wont touch Zaino.

6-8 layers ???

Zaino’s purpose isn’t to fill or hide defects, it’s purpose is to give the most reflective, hardest, longest lasting protection available.

30+ layers ????????????????????

Zaino is addictive, but I’m a recovering Zainoholic!

Point 2 - Are you talking about SG or AIO?

SG of course.

AIO doesnt look half bad, but it looks 1000% better with UPP and S100 on the top.

IMO any synthetic looks better with a carnauba topping.

Jngrbrd and myself are busy concocting an interesting new polish especially for black vehicles!

Like Zymöl’s Carbon or Z3? :rofl

 

[WS6Fury]

IMO the mineral spirits interfered with the bonding of the Zaino. A mineral spirit wipe-down should probably be followed with a dish detergent wash before applying a synthetic sealant.



Do not expect two layers of Z-5 to hide any marring. In my experience it will take 6-8 layers of Z-5 to have any effect on even the most minor of swirl marks.



I’ve been experimenting on different sections of my Jet Black paint; different synthetics topped with different carnaubas. Before that I played with different carnaubas on top of 30+ layers of Zaino. If you use a good quality carnauba (Souverän or P21S/S100) and apply very thin layers, you can add a lot of depth with little or no loss of reflectivity. Carnaubas with a higher oil content, such as Zymöl, do not work as well on the Zaino.



In my experience Klasse doesn’t quite come up to Zaino for reflectivity - at least on my black paint.



As always, YMMV!

Nope, no interference btw mineral spirits and zaino, the car was given a nice soapy wash before applying all the steps. And applying 6-8 coats of Z-5 to have any effect on minor swirls?? That is crazy, no one has that much time to fool around like that, at least not myself that is. BTW my car is brand new, so there are very minor swirls or blemishes to begin with.



Hmmmm, so p21 on top of zaino on a black car works pretty good? That is the ultimate test there as I used to have a black cobra. Was there any hazing or discoloration like with a lot fo carnubas on a jet black paint job?

 

[Nick T.]

Nope, no interference btw mineral spirits and zaino, the car was given a nice soapy wash before applying all the steps.

Most car shampoo has a neutral pH and may not do a very good job of removing many oily residues. That’s why a dish detergent is needed before using Zaino.

And applying 6-8 coats of Z-5 to have any effect on minor swirls?? That is crazy, no one has that much time to fool around like that, at least not myself that is.

That’s why you need to use a mild polish to get rid of the blemishes rather than relying on Z-5 to hide them.

BTW my car is brand new, so there are very minor swirls or blemishes to begin with.

Most dealers install (free of charge) a lot of micro-marring during their pre-delivery preparation.

Hmmmm, so p21 on top of zaino on a black car works pretty good? That is the ultimate test there as I used to have a black cobra. Was there any hazing or discoloration like with a lot fo carnubas on a jet black paint job?

P21S paste carnauba (or S100 which is basically the same thing) work very well on top of Zaino. Adds depth without diminishing the reflectivity. Apply very thin coats to maintain the reflectivity and to eliminate hazing and discoloration.



Good luck and have fun!