Need Help Detailing my Silver Audi

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Jrunr

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I have a 2005 Audi S4 in light silver and i am trying to figure out what is the best way to make my car "stand out in a crowd":bow after she is detailed. I have been using the NXT Tech Spray wax only, but I am looking for a deep, wet look that won't tint the color.



Here are the products i am tryng to decide between:



Klasse Twins,

Monzerna, polish, fmj, etc...

Blackfire

Zaino



Which is going to give me that "show quality" look?



Any help would be great!
 
I think this was a 2002 - hope it helps somehow. :D There are many great products out there that will give you these result.



Preparation is almost everything.



Out of what you have listed I use Klesse & Menzerna. Good luck!



process:



NXT wash

clay

PwC

Pink wax



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Hi Jrunr,



First off, very jealous of the car you have. I'm a big fan odf the S4's.



Anyways, I am not a big Zaino guy myself, but on silver it's stunning. I had zaino on my Altima for a while due to not being able to work on my car a lot. Especially now that I detail on the side and clean up friends/family member cars. I have not used the new Z2 pro, but it appears to be a pretty good product. I hope the ease of use is a little bit better than the old stuff. Zaino gives a great look to silver and has great durability



Funny thing is, tomorrow I am going to polish my Altima with either Menzerna FP II, or Menzerna PO85RD. Then I am going to seal it with FMJ. I have found the line of Menzerna polishes to truly be in a league of their own. They have the finest materials in the world. I only have Menzerna polishes in my arsenal, with the exception of DACP. I will post pics tomorrow or saturday after I am done and I will ike you guys to it!!



Here is a pic with Zaino Z2, topped with Poorboy's EX-P

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As the above mentioned post, FK1 Pink Wax is excellent on silver as well. That is currently the only thing I have on my paint. Here are some shots 6 weeks after the initial application.



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Well, Please keep me informed here. I am really lookng to do something that will set my car apart from any other that s out there. Please e-mail me at [email protected] and keep me updated since you have already used the Zaino and are going to use the menzerna I would LOVE to find out your results. Thanks again!



Jason
 
Jrunr- Welcome to Autopia!



As you can see, everybody has their favorite approach and it's not like anybody's wrong.



FWIW, I've had about a dozen silver Audis and I always have at least two on hand for side-by-side comparisons. So I know a little about how to make them look special ;)



First, get the prep right. The silver Spies Hecker paint can sorta "hide" marring like light swirls, but removing these imperfections is very important to your final result. Inspect under incandescent lighting, the brighter the better (try an old-fashioned "trouble light"). Don't expect to see much under fluorescents, and even halogens can be tricky when it comes to seeing the finer flaws.



Best look I've ever achieved on this paint was from careful prep (literally days) using PI-III RC/MG then 1Z Paint Polish. At that point the paint was free of marring under all the light sources I tried. I then polished it repeatedly with 1Z (Pro version) MP. After numerous passes I finally topped ith with several applications of UPP spaced about 24 hours apart. Then another coat after each of the next few washes.



The above treatment gave a look I've never seen before on this paint. Both deep *and* reflective. The metallic has such a "pop" that it can be literally blinding in bright sun, yet it doesn't look "plastic". When parked beside other silver Audis you'd swear it was a different paint.
 
Jrunr said:
I have a 2005 Audi S4 in light silver and i am trying to figure out what is the best way to make my car "stand out in a crowd...
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That's easy Jrunr, paint it yellow.



Sorry about that, it was a cheap shot. The reality is that silver is so bloody common these days and it's such a fundamentally neutral, blend into the background color to begin with that it's incredibly difficult to make a silver car stand out.



Besides making the paint "pop" (pay attention to Accumulator, he's da Man on silver Audis) you have to make sure the rest of the car is perfect, the trim, wheels, glass, tires, etc. That's why they call it detailing.



Oh, and :welcome to Autopia. With a lot of work and a little help from these crazies, you will succeed.





PC.
 
Winston Wolf- Good spotting on the Audi tsb :xyxthumbs



Something like the FK decontamination system is always a good idea, especially on light colors that really show rust-blooms.



I use the ABC system from AutoInt myself, and I clay during the "B" step, while it's dwelling. I used it on the S8, and I'm rather careful/particular about what I do with that one ;) If you use it correctly (i.e., don't let it dry on the car), which is pretty easy on something the size of an S4 it won't hurt anything (except the contamination). I use ABC on *all* our new vehicles.



Since I started using the ABC, I've noticed a great decrease in the recurring rust-blooms. In the past I just used clay, and before clay I used paint cleaners. But with those methods some of the blooms always came back. It's hard enough to keep up with *fresh* ferrous contamination so I don't want any lingering, long-term effects from whatever the vehicles went through before I even took delivery. And note that I almost always take them "in the plastic". They're still contaminated.
 
Accumulator.



Wouldn't it make sense to stick with the product Audi recomends. It looks like they have required its use for 10-15 years
 
Winston Wolf said:
Accumulator.



Wouldn't it make sense to stick with the product Audi recomends. It looks like they have required its use for 10-15 years
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I sure won't argue against that, but I'm willing to go by my personal experience with ABC. Also, over the years I've noticed that Audi's recommendations seem to have a bit to do with, uhm, "business" as opposed to being strictly a matter of what's best for the cars. E.g., at one time they would *only* use 3M products to prep new cars. Nothing at all special about the 3M stuff, they just worked out a mutually agreeable arrangement between the two companies.



Again, I'm not gonna say that somebody should listen to me instead of going by Audi's decision. But the ABC has worked fine on all the Audis I've used it on, and I'm as particular as people get about this stuff.



The only criticisms I've heard about either system *from users not affiliated with either company* were directed at the FK stuff. I hear it's a bit milder than the ABC and that some people found it *too* mild. That might be a true benefit when used at dealerships where the expertise of the people doing the work is questionable (to say the least). In my case, I don't want to go through the whole procedure only to find out that the acidic stuff I used was too mild (when the rust blooms start showing up).



All in all, IMO the two systems are so similar that there's probably no real diff between them and I'm probably just wasting bandwidth discussing them at such length :D
 
I too am looking for the holy grail for a silver Audi.



I have the following:



Klasse AIO

4* Wash

4* UPP

4* UGE



Will this give me a good, deep, wet looking shine?



Also, I do have a PC, so I plan on using that.



Is there anything else I should throw into the mix here? Some FP, or VM maybe?



Please help, I am a noob! :D
 

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Accumulator



I dont want to bust your chops but what you have to say has no factual basis to it.



First off I have both products and there is an extreme noticable difference between the two. The ABC system seams very week with very little substance to it. The Finish Kare System appears to have body and substance. The first step alone of the AI system appears to be nothing more than glass cleaner in appearance. The Finish Kare Systems Step 1 is very unique unlike anything I have ever seen or worked with.



According to Ford execs they alone processed many many millions of cars with Finish Kare not Automotive International and not clay



The other problem I have with the ABC system is their use of Oxalic Acid. Something the MFG's preach against using due to how it can degrade a paints finish and damage trim. It also seems AI has tried to cover up its use of oxalic acid by not directly stating it in their MSDS sheets. Why?



VW I have heard from people in the industry has some very tough standards and they also require the use of Finish Kares system for some 15 years straight.



From my observations and "Reading" which is a lost art it seems Automotive international tried to copy the Finish Kare System and fail short but was sucessful in fooling a lot of consumers and even the Mfg's to a degree. There is something very odd if not shady here.



An opinion from someone who has been a round the block a time or two and who really likes and appreciates great products.
 
Quote: Accumulator. I donâ€â„¢t want to bust your chops but what you have to say has no factual basis to it. EOQ



The override here is experience, anyone here will tell you that theory is one thing and experience can and does prove it wrongâ€Â¦and often.



IMO-Accumulator has a lot of experience with Audiâ€â„¢s â€Ëœhardâ€â„¢ paint if it were me Iâ€â„¢d listen to the voice of experience

JonM
 
Winston Wolf said:
Accumulator



I dont want to bust your chops but what you have to say has no factual basis to it...



First off I have both products and there is an extreme noticable difference between the two. The ABC system seams very week with very little substance to it. The Finish Kare System appears to have body and substance.



An opinion from someone who has been a round the block a time or two and who really likes and appreciates great products.
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What I posted as opinion is just that, my opinion. And as I stated, I have not tried the FK system and based any reference to it on material posted here by people whose opinions I respect. If I was misinformed then so be it. I certainly don't want to unfairly cast aspersions on a product with which I have no first-hand experience. In the future, I will refer to what you have posted should I have occasion to discuss the FK system.



What I have posted as experience, is just that, my experience. And my experience with AutoInt's ABC system, is based entirely on actual, first-hand experience- specifically in this case, on Audis of recent manufacture. I can state without qualification that the ABC system performed to my complete satisfaction and I am extremely particular. My opinions of its "A" component vary significantly from yours, but we are two different people who might not agree on everything.



I do, however, fail to see how anything I have posted on this thread can be described as being "without factual basis" when it's either a matter of expressing an opinion, repeating previously posted info, *identified as such*, or describing my perception of my first-hand experience.



FWIW, while experience does not necessarily imply expertise, I've been preparing new cars, first professionally and then as a hobby, since 1978. I've been around this particular block many times myself. FWIW#2, numerous employees at Stoddard Imported Cars, a "Porsche Heritage" Porsche/Audi dealership, will vouch for my expertise in the detailing of Audis.



I have no problem with people using FK *or* ABC, and/or believing anything FK or AutoInt have to say. If the two systems are that different, then I'll consider it a "Sprite vs. Pepsi" situation instead of a "Coke vs. Pepsi" one. And again, I'm willing to take *your* word for what the FK stuff is like, despite different reports from another Autopian. You had asked why I use ABC instead of FK and I answered.
 
05Sleeper- Heh heh, OK, yeah, back on-topic :o



I haven't tried AIO and VM on either a) the same vehicle, for direct comparison or, b) on Audi silver, so I'm not sure about the differences between how the two would look. Both are certainly good products and either is a good choice between the final polishing and your LSP.



Sometimes AIO seems to slightly darken a finish, but I don't think this will be anything you object to. UPP works well over AIO.



I haven't tried putting UPP over VM.



I'd be sure you really get all the marring out, it can be hard to spot on this color unless the lighting is right. Even though the paint won't look "swirled up", it won't have that special *look* either. After you're *certain* it's OK, I'd give it some additional light polishing with the FPII using a very soft pad (maybe even a finishing pad).



You might want try a few different things (the AIO, the VM, etc.) to see if any of them appeal to you more than the others. You can always remove the "losers" with some rubbing alcohol (or another pass of FPII).



FWIW, I think I'd see how the UPP looks after all the polishing with the FPII. No AIO, no VM, just UPP over the well polished paint.
 
I am actually trying to find something that will helo me "blend" the colors I have on my car. I got 2 new bumpers and had them painted. when I got them back, their silver is slighty darker than the rest of the car....

Anyway to fix this?
 
It's not unusual for the bumpers to be a little different from the metal parts, but it shouldn't be a *huge* difference. Just had the front bumper cover on my wife's silver A8 reshot, and it's *very* close to the five year old original paint. Actually, that car has had a lot of paintwork (long story, not my wife's fault) and it's all pretty unnoticeable. Might want to have a talk with your painter.



Maybe use BF on the original paint and UPP on the bumper covers. BF darkens a little more than UPP or at least it seemed to work that way on mine.



But if it's a really big difference the painter goofed and he should make it right.
 
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