Accumulator
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keep_it_clean said:
Heh heh, I wonder if those people ever drain the condensation out of their tanks
You think they'd figure it out when they see that nasty rusty water!
My experience with Surbuf & the Kevin Brown Method.
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Heh heh, I wonder if those people ever drain the condensation out of their tanks
You think they'd figure it out when they see that nasty rusty water!
David Fermani
Forza Auto Salon
Mike Phillips said:
Many Air Compressors cost less than your average DA. They come in handy and are a must have for not only cleaning pads, but for detailing interiors. Depends if you want to be good at removing defects/swirls, or great? Average people shouldn't expect anything more than average results using average techniques. Professional results require having and using professional tools/processes. With the KBM, using a damp pad is counterproductive because in a nutshell it affects the overall outcome. And, it has a tendancy of destoying certain pads. Pad Washers are a great tool when you're using a rotary, but don't really have a place with DA via KBM IMHO.
adrock2003
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This is a great thread! I just bought 6 of the 5.5" surbuf pads and can't WAIT to get them! Business is BOOMING at the moment and I'm hoping it keeps rolling in! Mike, your post on AG is what pushed me over the edge to try the Surbuf pads out. Let's see what I can do with them.
To the OP, I absolutely LOVE your car man! I want an e39 530i/6 wagon SOOOO bad!
To the OP, I absolutely LOVE your car man! I want an e39 530i/6 wagon SOOOO bad!
adrock2003
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Scottwax said:Very impressive results, works very well, especially on softer paints like this jet black BMW:
Also works very well on Corvettes. Still have to use the rotary on some paints, can't seem to get the results I want with KBM on Audis, for example.
Holy COW Scott!!! That's crazy man! You can't even see a light outline of the lights in the door in the before pic. How long did it take you to get that correction and how many passes?
adrock2003 said:
Took a total of 3 polishing sessions with #105 and an orange Soft Edge cutting pad on that particular door if I remember right. Here is the write-up including a KBM video I made:
http://www.autopia.org/forum/pro-details-before-after/124267-absolutely-hammered-335-pics-video.html
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Legacy99 said:
I wouldn't, based on my tries doing something like that on my Jag. It's not all that hard to deflect the "fingers" a bit much and get some minor(?) micromarring.
Just IMO, but I consider the SurBufs to be cutting pads.
When I have to correct a car that has severe defects, one that requires more then 1 application of surbuf /M105. I follow with orange/M205 as a middle step, then black/M205 as the final step.
The orange/M205 process can be worked very fast and the black/205 even faster.
This is paint hardness dependant. Some paints really benefit from this extra step which IMO does not really take that much extra time.
So if you are using surbuf/M105 and then straight to black/M205 and are not 100% happy with the results, use the orange/M205 as a middle step.
On some harder clears with lighter colored paints, you will be very surprised how well the orange/M205 finishes out.
All steps above are with a random orbital.
Todd Helme told me a while ago he was using this process as a middle step after using M105 with a rotary.
The orange/M205 process can be worked very fast and the black/205 even faster.
This is paint hardness dependant. Some paints really benefit from this extra step which IMO does not really take that much extra time.
So if you are using surbuf/M105 and then straight to black/M205 and are not 100% happy with the results, use the orange/M205 as a middle step.
On some harder clears with lighter colored paints, you will be very surprised how well the orange/M205 finishes out.
All steps above are with a random orbital.
Todd Helme told me a while ago he was using this process as a middle step after using M105 with a rotary.
tssdetailing
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this pic makes me think really naughty thoughts...very rad shot
Was lucky enough to do a very informal paint correction for a good friend this weekend. I was doing it while visiting others out of town so I had to travel VERY mobile (for me) and stuff everything in the trunk of my car:
And the owner took a bunch of fun pictures along during the day:
(Anyone notice what's lurking in the background? :drool
X5 to be worked on. Not going to be a 100% correction on this family wag, but we should be able to do some damage!
BUT first we need to run some errands in his M5
Including dropping my car off with one of our BMW mechanic friends:
He has a track M3, DD M3, his wife's 330ci and my 330ci.
I entitled the picture the "Double-Double" in honor of my in-n-out addiction.
TIME TO GET DERTY!
And the owner took a bunch of fun pictures along during the day:
(Anyone notice what's lurking in the background? :drool
X5 to be worked on. Not going to be a 100% correction on this family wag, but we should be able to do some damage!
BUT first we need to run some errands in his M5
Including dropping my car off with one of our BMW mechanic friends:
He has a track M3, DD M3, his wife's 330ci and my 330ci.
I entitled the picture the "Double-Double" in honor of my in-n-out addiction.
TIME TO GET DERTY!
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Mike Phillips said:
From the product description on your store's website:
"Unlike other pad systems that offer various "cuts", Surbuf R Series 6.5 Inch Buffing Pads are suitable for any polishing or waxing application. The Surbuf pad provides a safe, nonabrasive applicator that allows the product to work as intended. If you're used to multiple pads, you'll need to experiment to find the right speed and length of time to work in a polish or cleaner. Follow the product manufacturers' instructions. Once you get the hang of it, Surbuf R Series 6.5 Inch Buffing Pads just might replace all your polishing and finishing pads!"
One thing I'd like to refine more, and learn from those using the Surbuf pads effectively, is how much 'pressure' are you putting on the PC when you're using them?
I notice two choices, either "just enough to keep the pad spinning quickly"
and "enough that the pad barely spins".
Option two seems to cut FAST, but again, the pad looses all it's useful life fast
Your experiences?
I notice two choices, either "just enough to keep the pad spinning quickly"
and "enough that the pad barely spins".
Option two seems to cut FAST, but again, the pad looses all it's useful life fast
Your experiences?
RenuAuto said:One thing I'd like to refine more, and learn from those using the Surbuf pads effectively, is how much 'pressure' are you putting on the PC when you're using them?
I notice two choices, either "just enough to keep the pad spinning quickly"
and "enough that the pad barely spins".
Option two seems to cut FAST, but again, the pad looses all it's useful life fast
Your experiences?
Not much at all comparted to the KBM with an orange pad, which is what you are referring to in option 2. If you look at the M105 after you go over it while wet, you will see how your micro fingers from the surbuf are laying down. If you apply too much pressure, they will curl back and actually cause the fingers to J hook. This will cause excessive micro marring and is not necessary.