My decision is in your hands: PO106FF or Optimum OHC?

mburnickas said:
I was just trying to show that OHC does not cut alot as people might think (based on the name). It is a joy to work with though. No dust, long work time and nice correction.
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Maybe you should specify wether you are using the old or new formula. The Old formula has become the new compound(any optimum compound with a gold sticker that says "new formula" is the old hyper compound), and the new formula is far more agressive.
 
This thread is weird, these products are totally different. How bad is the marring on this MB; if it's light 106FF, if it's not OHC followed by a finishing polish (like 80).
 
Menzerna 106FF gets my vote. Although I have to say these are not two products I would group together. I see 106ff more as a med to finishing polish and OHC more as an aggressive polish which really wasn't as aggressive as it was advertised so I clasify it as med grade compound. Of course I haven't tried the new version of it.
 
gbackus said:
Maybe you should specify wether you are using the old or new formula. The Old formula has become the new compound(any optimum compound with a gold sticker that says "new formula" is the old hyper compound), and the new formula is far more agressive.
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Good to know. I have the old forumla and did not know that old OHC is now the normal "new" OC.
 
Derrick said:
I agree but unless a person knows how to use 106ff correctly you may be risking your health. Has anyone heard from Wildboar lately? He got a good dusting a few months ago while using the rmg/106ff mix that was posted on this site earlier this year. You must keep the pad and the surface wet when using it to keep the dust down.



I'm am concerned for most people who let 106ff dust up without understanding how dangerous this stuff might be to their short term and long term health.



It's made for the automotive plant not detailers. Be careful with it.
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Why would Menzerna be more dangerous then any other polishes? I try to be careful whatever I am using. Dust from compounds, polishes and sealants is not so healthy, no matter what brand it is.
 
Wait a minute. Am I right to assume you guys are polishing and finishing with OHC? Although OHC finishes good enough to do a final with only a PC, it does not leave the finish nearly as glossy or wax perfect as Menzerna PO106ff.



Menzerna PO106ff although not quite so capable of correction as OHC is, it leaves finishes better than 97% of finishing polishes I have used, and with less work. So good, that it subsitutes the use of glazes for me, for that real wet look.
 
I used Optimum Polish with a wool polishing pad on a really neglected car, came out really nice. Try that before even going to compound.
 
porta said:
Why would Menzerna be more dangerous then any other polishes? I try to be careful whatever I am using. Dust from compounds, polishes and sealants is not so healthy, no matter what brand it is.
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Porta,

I agree with you 100%. I just wish I knew what cutting agent is in it. If it can cut ceramic clear, I would think it has to be sharp. Is that good for the lungs? I don't think so but I could be wrong.



One good about the product is it is Silicone free.

To be fair to Menzerna the instructions do say to ...Polish at 1000- 1500 rpm until almost dry. ...



To many people don't read the instructions on the bottle and buff for too long.



I love PO106ff. I just want people to use this polish or any polish correctly.



Derrick
 
Well guys.. Im going to order the Blackfire equivalent.. I guess its the same thing or so they say. Im gonna get the 16oz bottle to try out on this MB I have coming up.
 
Menzerna uses aluminium oxid as abrasives in all their polishes and compounds.



As I said before, no polish or sealant is so good for your health.



And yes, I am a Menzernaholic :)
 
35TH LE said:
Well guys.. Im going to order the Blackfire equivalent.. I guess its the same thing or so they say. Im gonna get the 16oz bottle to try out on this MB I have coming up.
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Good choice, but I don´t know why Blackfire want to add extra lubricants? IMO you can polish 106FF for a pretty long time before you break it down.



The "compound" is Menzerna PO85RD3.01, a nice polish for light to medium swirls. A shame that you can´t get the upgraded version, PO85RD3.02 in the states.
 
porta said:
Menzerna uses aluminium oxid as abrasives in all their polishes and compounds.



As I said before, no polish or sealant is so good for your health.



And yes, I am a Menzernaholic :)
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Their ceramiclear line uses an optical grade cerium oxide as it's main abrasive, that's why it costs so much more than their standard polishes.



Some cutting agents are worse than others, for example many traditional compounds contain crystalline silica, which can cause black lung disease.
 
OHC via Cyclo leaves a considerable amount haze. It makes quick work of scratch removal, but I wouldn't do a whole car via OHC. It just seems rather harsh.
 
Derrick said:
What's up Scottwax,

Still a Meguiars guy? I am too.



In case you don't remember me I was in the Meguiar's detailing class with you when Mike Phillips came to Dallas. I was in the front row of the class closest to the door. You showed me your black car and I showed you my tan van after the class and our personal discussions with Mike were over.

Derrick
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:wavey Meguiars will always have a place in my detailing arsenal. The 80 series polishes are excellent on BMW paints (not exactly sure why) and single stage paint.



I remember you. :)



Still trying to get over how cold it was that day!
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
OHC via Cyclo leaves a considerable amount haze. It makes quick work of scratch removal, but I wouldn't do a whole car via OHC. It just seems rather harsh.
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Which pads are you using? What kind of paint? On harder paints, I had no problems using the new OHC with an orange pad (very minimal hazing) but on softer paints, I get hazing using the green Propel lite cut pads.
 
Scott.. maybe you can answer this question since you know Megs real well.



I have some #85, #84, along with my #83 and #80. I also have a bottle of #4 too. Should I give those products a go before I order the Blackfire?



This is for a brand new black MB S430.
 
i believe that 85 and 84 are rotary only as per megs recommendations



i know that OHC will work really well with a PC and light cutting pad or cutting pad...my new routine is going to be PC with orange pad, then oc orange, then op blue polishing....or OHC/orange then OP blue if the paint is hard enough!



OHC has gotten out some defects that megs hasnt gotten out via PC and same pad, but menzerna powergloss has gotten out defects that OHC hasnt gotten out....but the dusting from PG is terrible when using it straight, or even with a touch of OP mixed ont he CUTTING PAD, not so bad on a light cut pad...but cleaning up dust is not something that I like to make a habit of, so I will use OHC unless I am getting no where with it!
 
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