Most Effective Leather Reconditioner

I try not to make things overly difficult whenever I can. I often will take a leap of faith - except that one time that brake parts cleaner ate the finish on my valve covers but that`s a different story)

My pal uses autoglym on his ram and loves it. He has the top of the line limited with much nicer leather than found in any of my cars.


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Striker- From what I can tell, your mindset is such that any Leaps of Faith you take related to caring for your leather will turn out just fine. IMO the chances of some Catastrophic Mistake are minimal, especially since AutoGlym is simply a very good product line.
 
From as far back as the early 2000`s in my experiences, Autoglym has always been a great name in the Auto Detailing Industry here and in Europe for much, much, longer..

I absolutely loved their Interior Shampoo and purchased gallons of it before all of a sudden, Autoglym disappeared from every Detail Supply place that I frequented..
If you can ever find any of it, you will be simply amazed at how great this one product works..
Dan F


They also make a great Leather Care product and I am down to my last, several year old bottle...
 
I just walked past a whole pile of autoglym leather care. Never knew it was good stuff as no one ever talks about it.


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From as far back as the early 2000`s in my experiences, Autoglym has always been a great name in the Auto Detailing Industry here and in Europe for much, much, longer..

I absolutely loved their Interior Shampoo and purchased gallons of it before all of a sudden, Autoglym disappeared from every Detail Supply place that I frequented..
If you can ever find any of it, you will be simply amazed at how great this one product works..
Dan F


They also make a great Leather Care product and I am down to my last, several year old bottle...

I am with you Dan on Autoglyms leather conditioner. It`s a really great product and just works. I am down to the last of my ancient bottle as well.
 
OP here...

Finally received the car on Friday. I put a generous amount of Leatherique rejuvinator oil on the seats to soak in overnight, only for them to still be sticky the next morning. Applying that stuff is somewhat of a battle, it`s like liquid brake pads for your microfiber. I finally took some CG leather cleaner to it and wiped off the seats. After that, I put CG leather conditioner on them, which was far easier to use. It also had a fantastic leather scent to it, unlike the somewhat nasty smell of Leatherique.

Though I`m left wondering what either of them actually did for the leather, as it didn`t seem much different afterwards, and the slight wrinkles on the left bolster of the driver seat didn`t appear improved (though maybe that`s expecting too much). The leather in the car is immaculate on the whole, and my aim is to keep it that way. I`ll probably just stick with the Chemical Guys brand leather conditioner from now on...

After I get the car back from the body shop that`s giving the exterior an all-over machine polishing, I`ll lay down another coat the leather conditioner, let it soak overnight, and follow up with CG`s Leather Serum. Seem like a sensible plan???
 
kestrel452:
If you found something that works for you on your particular vehicle`s leather, keep using it. Keep us informed on how Chemical Guy`s Leather Rejuvenator works on your leather.
This thread has a plethora of information and opinions on "proper" leather care and seems to take on a life of its own on what works, what does not, use conditioners, don`t use conditioners.

Here`s a recent "experience" of mine on black leather in a 2014 Ford Explorer. I cleaned it using Megs D101 APC (Yes, this is "contradictory" to what I SHOULD do, but it was in the interest of time, and it works well) I bought some Griot`s Leather Conditioner locally OCT at Advanced Auto to replace the Lexol Leather Conditioner that has received a "do not use on leather" reviews within this particular thread. When I applied it to the seat, it smelled like a urinal! It was BADDD! Apparently, the Megs APC and Griot`s Leather Conditioner are not compatible. It must be the "conditioner" in Griot`s is a ureic-based compound/chemical to leave the leather slightly acidic, but it did not "play" or smell "pleasant" after using Meg`s D101 APC. It did leave the leather looking very nice, perhaps a little more "shiny" than natural, but it worked. The Griot`s leather conditioner could have been used by its self as one-step cleaner and conditioner on the leather, and maybe that is what I will do in the future OR I will use Woolite soap to clean dirty leather, then use Griot`s.
Now, does Griot`s Leather Conditioner have a bad smell by itself, OR do I have a bad production batch? (Remember, I am the forum member who raised the question about Meg`s Quik Interior Detailer smelling like vinegar that WAS a bad production batch that they took care of for those who noticed a similar experience.) Don`t know!
What I do know is DO NOT use Megs D101 APC and Griot`s Leather Conditioner together. Yes, the smell will dissipate rather shortly after doing so (2 hours), but the initial smell is less-than "pleasant". Live and learn.....
 
My shipment of leather masters came in and I used it on the fiesta st recaros.

It worked well. I think it definitely made them softer without a doubt.


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I believe it did ya. They had the consistency of plywood before. Now it`s definitely better!


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I believe it did ya. They had the consistency of plywood before. Now it`s definitely better!


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Having the same car and seats, I agree... Consistency of plywood and texture of plaster.

After rubbing them up in some leather cleaner and conditioner, its awesome, I think it will benefit more after another treatment down the road.
 
Yea I think I`m going to hit them with another dose of leather masters just to be safe.

Product works well.


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Tried a bunch of different stuff, including Leather Doctor. Tried these on test patches and then full seats with 3 products based on patch results. Car is an `06 Land Rover LR3. (Grrr... can`t get bulleted list to work consistently.)

  • Lexol cleaner and conditioner: Leather is rougher. Almost looks and feels dehydrated.
  • APC only: Looks fine. Actually feels better than the Lexol treated patch. Seems dry.
  • DG 203: Feels better than the other two. Slight satin finish.
  • Shoe conditioner/cleaner: Leather feels and looks better than Lexol and DG 203. It looks more hydrated/swollen.
  • Bick 4 conditioner: Worked similar to the shoe stuff. Leather feels softer and looks smoother.
  • Bick 5: Similar to Bick 4, but less swelling of the leather.
  • DG 221 leather conditioner: similar to the Bicks. Leather is a little less soft.
  • Leather Doctor: Seats look fantastic and feel very good. They are less soft than the Bick 4.
  • Polish Angel: Seats feel better than Lexol and DG 203. Unremarkable otherwise.

Leather Doctor seems to work very well. The seat I did with LD looks fantastic. The area treated with Bick 4 feels the best. Bick 5 and DG 221 are close in terms of feel. It could be the Leather Doctor areas look better due to the multi-step cleaning process.

In terms of smoothness of the seats, meaning less texture (which may indicate hydration) and stiffness, Bick 4 is on top followed by the shoe stuff. Leather Doctor, DG 221, and Bick 5 all had similar swelling and smoothness. Everything else left more texture in place and left the leather feeling more dry and rougher.

Either of the Bicks products and DG 221 seem like a bargain. Best looking: Leather Doctor. Best feel: Bick 4. Next best feel: LD, Bick 5, and DG 221. Leather Doctor likely isn`t usable by a detailer based on cost and the lengthy process/dwell times.

No idea which of these are good or bad for durability. I want to believe that Leather Doctor is better because it`s a multi-product treatment with different process for different leather conditions. But don`t know. I`ve found it nearly impossible to figure out what should work or not - too many divergent opinions. Note that Leather Doctor instructions acknowledge that their stuff won`t permeate car seats until there is "micro crazing" (a network of small cracks). This lends credibility both POVs that car seats are and are not permeable. Not that LD also recommends very long dwell times for some of their products.

The one consistent thing I`ve read about leather care in general and car seats specifically is that dirt is the enemy. So I`ll try to keep the dirt off first. My process going forward will likely be to wipe down the seats weekly with a damp MF towel. I will use a very dilute APC or DG 203 for occasional light cleaning. My guess is that had I done this from day 1 my seats would still look new.

Will try to post some pics when I get the time.
 
RippyD- Thanks for that good comparison! Especially appreciated the mention of the Bix stuff, which I hadn`t heard of.

Yeah, the Leather Dr. stuff (which I`m always raving about) certainly *is* pretty labor/time-intensive compared to simpler systems.
 
Info how to care for your leather seats, dashboard and door panels.

The three most common types of automotive leather are:

Aniline: Leather that has been dyed and coated with a pigment (colored urethane paint) to yield uniform color and then clear coated. This type of leather does not reveal scars, pores and blemishes and has an artificial uniform grain pattern embossed. It is typically the only real leather in the seat and located only in the center inserts of the seat. The sides, bolsters, etc., are vinyl painted with the same colored urethane paint so it matches the leather inserts perfectly giving the entire seat a "leather" look. This is what 99% of cars have including Corvette, Escalade, newer Ferrari and Lamborghini. To demonstrate this just put a drop of water on your seat and see if it soaks in. It will not soak in as the leather has a painted on urethane coating on it. If water can`t penetrate the coating how can "conditioners" and "protectants?" Read on.....

Semi-Aniline: Leather that has been dyed and coated with a semi-transparent pigment then clear coated This type of leather may reveal some of the underlying scars and blemishes of the hide as well as some color and grain changes. Almost never seen in the past twenty years.

Synthetic (aka vinyl): Much of the leather, and in some, all of the leather in many of today`s vehicles is entirely synthetic or engineered leather. It looks like real leather but is really entirely synthetic. This is in use in some high ticket brands like Lexus, MB and Infinity for example. It is often difficult to tell what is real leather and what is engineered leather.

The bottom line is 99.9% of cars sold today have leather only on the middle insert of the seat bottom and back. The sides are completely 100% vinyl. The color and texture of the vinyl matches the leather inserts perfectly as they are all sprayed with a colored urethane coating. A perfect way to demonstrate they are vinyl is the water drop test outlined above. Another way is pull some of the seat siding out from underneath the seat. Notice there is a very thin foam or cloth backing? Real leather (from real cows) doesn`t have foam backing on it.

Have you noticed the change in new car window stickers when referring to the seats? They now call the interior "leather lined," or "leather trim." Just take a look at a new C7 Corvette window sticker. They don`t say "leather seats" like they used to. Now the C7 window sticker says, "Trim, Leather." This is because only the center inserts are actually leather! The remainder of the seat is vinyl. Remember, vinyl has a thin foam or cloth backing on it.

Everyone seems to like the term "conditioner," but just what is conditioning? When leather professionals speak of “conditioning leather” they are usually speaking about leather hydration. Properly hydrated leather will be soft, plump and flexible making it resistant to creasing and cracking. Most traditional conditioners are typically oily or contain silicone, wax or things like Aloe or Neat`s-foot or Mink oil. No protected, urethane coated, leather needs or benefits from these things. Conditioning products were initially designed for a much different type of leather like car seat who were 100% uncoated leather back in the 60`s and 70`s. Remember, none of these conditioners can absorb through the urethane coating making them useless.

Most conditioners leave a film on protected leather that can hasten the accumulation of soil. Dirt is attracted to the oil as it sits on top of the urethane coating and in the stitching. Your butt rubbing back and forth across this dirt acts like sandpaper and actually buffs the colored urethane coating off. This is frequently the cause of early bolster wear!

Conditioners do not penetrate the urethane painted top coat to condition the leather. True, some of the H2o in these conditioners evaporates and raises the relative humidity in the car cockpit which is beneficial as the leather will pick up the molecular H2o through the process of transpiration. Transpiration is the process by which moisture is carried through humidity to small pores on the underside of the leather/vinyl, where it changes to vapor and is released to the atmosphere. The leather/vinyl can absorb this through the untreated, underside of the material. However, a damp wipe down with a towel will do this as well and not leave that soil grabbing film.

Keep in mind that the colored urethane topcoat was added to the leather for the purpose of preventing spills and liquids from getting to the leather, as well as hiding the leather’s underlying scars, and blemishes, while making the leather more abrasion resistant. The urethane topcoat is colored so all of the surfaces of the seat match the door panels, dashboard, etc. If they did not contain coloring, every single piece of "leather" in your car would not match.

Leather conditioners do nothing to prevent stains or dye transfer. If your leather has developed cracks, using an oily conditioner may further degrade the adhesion of the painted topcoat around the crack and make the damage worse. Doesn`t wet paper tear much easier than dry paper?

So how does this painted on protective urethane coating work and still allow the leather to stay hydrated? Much the same way as a rain coat would protect you from a driving rain. At the same time the rain is being repelled, you will begin to notice that your clothing is becoming damp due to the 100% humidity level. That`s basically how your leather stays hydrated, at the molecular level. If you want to test this put a drop of water on your protected leather in an inconspicuous place and leave for 15-20 minutes and you will see that it does not soak in. That is the urethane top coat preventing the absorption of the liquid as it was designed to do. H2o is a small molecule when compared to an oily conditioner so if water is not being absorbed by the leather, the larger molecules of a conditioner certainly are not.

Ok, so for those who insist that their leather feels softer after using a conditioner I can suggest three reasons for this. The first is that the conditioner has left an oily film on the leather and it altered the "hand" or feel of the leather. It has not really done anything to the leather, as it can`t get to the leather, but it makes the hand feel nice for a short time until it is rubbed off or evaporates.

The other reason is that the conditioner likely contains a good deal of water and that it is raising the humidity level in the proximity of the leather. If this happens, the leather may absorb the water molecules and plump up and feel softer. The thing about this is that a wipe down with a wrung out watered cotton towel would accomplish the exact same thing.

The third reason is that the term conditioner has no defined meaning. Who knows what is in the bottle labeled Leather Conditioner? What one company calls a conditioner another might call a protectant. Whatever your "conditioner" is will just give you the impression the leather is softer when you touch it since it is slick. It is certainly not "conditioned" since it cannot absorb into the leather or vinyl portion of your seats. Bottom line is the industry has too many vague definitions as to exactly what "conditioning" is.

Leather is made soft in the tanning process and then sealed. You cannot add oils back through the urethane topcoat of protected leather. Leather becomes hard if it loses its needed hydration. Dry leather shrinks and feels hard. Much the same way a chamois gets hard when it is dry. Rehydrate the chamois and it becomes soft again. Rehydrate unprotected leather seats and they should soften to the degree designed in the original tanning process. Think about it.

I never use products that contain neat`s-foot, mink, or other oils, silicone, aloe, or any other odd, useless item, but often the labels doesn`t tell you what is in the bottle. This includes Leatherique, Lexol, 303 Protectant, Armor All, Zaino, etc., etc. In my experience, these products do nothing but sit on top of the urethane top coating until your clothing wipes them off. In the meantime, they collect dust and dirt which is then ground into your seats and stitching as you slide across the seat getting in and out much like sandpaper. 90% of your seat damage comes from this!

In fact, page 212 of the C7 Corvette owner`s manual makes it clear that the only way to clean and treat the seats or other "leather" areas is with water and a mild soap - no cleaners or conditioners! This includes dashboard, door inserts, etc. More specifically, the manual states, "Use a soft microfiber cloth dampened with water to remove dust and loose dirt. For a more thorough cleaning, use a soft microfiber cloth dampened with a mild soap solution. Wipe excess moisture from these surfaces after cleaning and allow them to dry naturally. Never use heat, steam, or spot removers. Do not use cleaners that contain silicone or wax-based products. Cleaners containing solvents can permanently change the appearance and feel of leather or soft trim, and are not recommended. Soaking or saturating leather, especially perforated leather, as well as other interior surfaces, may cause permanent damage."

Don`t you think GM would recommend leather cleaners and conditioners if the material was in fact all leather?

The only real, non-coated leather I have seen in a non-exotic car in the past 20 years is a Ford "Big Ranch" Truck. That is it! Take a look at one someday that is a year or more old. The seats will be a complete mess! Being uncoated everything soaks into them such as beer, soda, spew, jizz, body oil, urine, grease, dirt, etc. You will be happy the leather in your car is "coated" after seeing this. Remember, the reason this stuff doesn`t soak into your seat is the same reason "conditioners" will not soak in so don`t use them!

I vacuum the leather in my C6, Ferrari 360 and Lambo Gallardo and wipe it down with a wrung out watered (damp) towel weekly. This includes dashboard, door inserts, etc. When they get dirty, I clean them with delicate soap like Woolite (10 to 1 ratio) or a highly diluted all-purpose cleaner, A very nice, gentle product is Leathermasters Foam Cleaner. You can buy it at AutoGeek, Amazon, EBay, etc. Leather Master Foam Cleaner is suitable for all leather types including Aniline, Protected, Synthetic (vinyl), Nubuck and Suede Leather.

After cleaning, and before the seats dry, get the cleaning product out/off the seats with a wet towel. Not a damp towel, a wet, but not dripping wet, towel. Finish by wiping off and sucking up the moisture from the wet towel with a dry towel. Use several dry towels if necessary. The key is to absorb as much of the cleaner as possible. This ensures all of the cleaner was removed. Just a damp towel for normal maintenance and cleaning. That is it! Your leather will look like brand new for many years to come! My C6 is ten years old and the seats still look like brand new!

You are going to read a lot of people who make comments disagreeing with me. Just conduct the two above tests and make your own decisions. Does a drop of water soak into the seat or just sit on top until it evaporates? Does the backing of your seat material on the side pieces (bolster) have foam or cloth on the back? Remember, your seats may feel softer after applying a "conditioner," but go back in a day or two and see if they still feel that way. Once the conditioner dries on the seats and on your hands, this softness is gone!

If Corvette seats are 100% leather, why has GM changed their description on MSRP window sticker as "Trim, Leather" and why do they recommend against use of leather cleaners and conditioners? Always keep in mind that you’re dealing with the finished coating on the leather and not with the leather hide itself.

Last example how leather needs nothing more than a simple wipe with a damp cloth. You know that fine leather and recliner couch you own? When was the last time you conditioned it with Lexol, Latherique, Zaino, etc.? Never! And I bet it still looks like brand new. How could this be if you need to smear leather conditioner and cleaners all over it all the time? Truth be known....do nothing and it will last forever!!!! Enuf said!
 
"Conditioners can penetrate the coating through these cracks and openings, keeping the leather underneath soft and supple. "

I do not agree with this statement!

Conditioners are thick with oils, aloe, silicone, etc. They cannot be absorbed horizontally through "cracks and openings" as there is no gravity assist. For any liquid to absorb into something porous such as leather that has not been coated with urethane, whether it be water, conditioners, soda pop, sweat, etc., the thickness of the liquid determines absorption. This is the principle of liquid "fluid dynamic," absorption and viscosity.

The study of liquid flow is called hydrodynamics. While liquids include all sorts of substances, hydrodynamics involve managing the flow of water.

The term viscosity is a measure of resistance to flow. It can be measured by observing the time required for a given volume of liquid to flow through an object. Thicker the liquid, higher the viscosity. Motor oil usually has two measurements. As an example, most cars now use something like 10w-40 oil viscosity. This means the oil is very thin when cold (10w) and thicker when hot (40w).

The viscosity of a substance is related to the strength of the forces acting between its molecular units. In the case of water, these forces are primarily due to hydrogen bonding. As an example, honey is much more viscous because the sugars they contain are studded with hydroxyl groups (–OH) which can form multiple hydrogen bonds with water thus having much more viscosity.

In other words, the lower viscosity of a substance will flow and absorb much quicker than one with higher viscosity. Silicone leather conditioners have much, much higher viscosity than water. Water will absorb much quicker. If a water drop will not absorb through the urethane protectant on treated leather and vinyl in your car, a thick, higher viscosity leather conditioner will not absorb either! Instead, it will sit on top collecting dirt.

Again, place a drop of water on your leather seat. If it absorbs, go ahead and use all the leather conditioner you want and I will admit I am wrong. If the water drop does not absorb, do nothing more than keep your seats clean with an occasional mild leather cleaner and frequently wipe them down with a damp towel. They will last for years!
 
You`re saying leather won`t absorb anything. Then you say this:

The other reason is that the conditioner likely contains a good deal of water and that it is raising the humidity level in the proximity of the leather. If this happens, the leather may absorb the water molecules and plump up and feel softer. The thing about this is that a wipe down with a wrung out watered cotton towel would accomplish the exact same thing.

Seems contradictory. If leather can absorb water from a damp towel, it can likely absorb other water-based stuff too. If a damp towel can hydrate leather why can`t a water based conditioner? I`m not saying it does any more than water, but it`s either impermeable to water or it`s not. You appear to be saying both.

And it seems to me that a water-based conditioner with lower surface tension or other properties that are more favorable (pH, ionin, etc) may be better at getting hydration into the leather than plan water. Is this not possible?
 
I think what he`s saying anyways, is the damp towel is merely used to clean the surface and the top coat. Not necessarily to recondition or condition anything. ?


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Just FWIW, the PH of water is different than of leather. Ideally, u want to use something that is within the leathers PH, IF the area you are treating/conditioning is actually going beyond the topcoat.


Or a very superficial suPerFicial POV, there are micro-pores that I suppose even on coated leather, conditioner can possibly soak in on a .001% level ?
 
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