More to the story, than just a video........

I too believe that there is much more to the story than the video. Its funny that the video starts just as the dept starts grabbing her. Tell me he just walked in and started this?
 
Two wrongs do not make a right and you can always find many who would defend any police action not matter how bad it is. There is nothing new.
 
Bunky said:
Two wrongs do not make a right and you can always find many who would defend any police action not matter how bad it is. There is nothing new.
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That's true Al, two wrongs don't make a right. I've watched this video a number of times. How would our members have suggested that the officer proceed? Wait until class is over and apprehend her at the door? Taser her right there and be done with it? Stand and waste class time while she continues to tell him no or until these two negotiate an amicable solution? Call the principal, her parents, another officer, who or what?

I don't know what I'd have told him to do. I know that though his actions were forceful, I saw him more pulling her free from the desk to cuff her than actually throwing her across the room. Perhaps if he'd have taken one step less it would have been viewed as a drag rather than a throw. My viewpoit is as limited as anyyone else that saw the video but I find it suspect that she'd need a cast from that limited skirmish, who knows? These situations are tough and these guys have to make a decision on the fly. I firmly believe that no matter how thorough the training you can't train for every unique circumstance. Of course there is also the viewpoint that if cell phones weren't allowed in class we wouldn't have any of this.. Interested in others comments.
 
I was an Army brat. When my dad was in the military, I knew that if misbehaved my Dad would a get DR (Delinquency Report). This meant a trip to visit the commanding officer and cumulative DR's affected evaluations. It included offenses like speeding on post but even simple social behavior issues of dependents. I went to military operated schools and rarely recall social issues. One year I had to attend PS104, a public school in Brooklyn, and this really opened since I saw things I never saw when attending schools on post. I still recall our gym teacher having tp wrestle with a disobedient student.

Parenting is often to blame but know even the best parents can end up with duds. The school is not the only place to teach good behavior.
 
Lolz.

I dunno about all you, but when I was in school we had no police officers or security guards there. We had fist fights - and teachers broke them up.

I watched the video. Basically, my gut tells me this student prolly got what she deserved. Nobody is yanked out of a desk for studying.

Fields is prolly hot and the teenage girls like him.
 
GearHead_1 said:
That's true Al, two wrongs don't make a right. I've watched this video a number of times. How would our members have suggested that the officer proceed? Wait until class is over and apprehend her at the door? Taser her right there and be done with it? Stand and waste class time while she continues to tell him no or until these two negotiate an amicable solution? Call the principal, her parents, another officer, who or what?

I don't know what I'd have told him to do. I know that though his actions were forceful, I saw him more pulling her free from the desk to cuff her than actually throwing her across the room. Perhaps if he'd have taken one step less it would have been viewed as a drag rather than a throw. My viewpoit is as limited as anyyone else that saw the video but I find it suspect that she'd need a cast from that limited skirmish, who knows? These situations are tough and these guys have to make a decision on the fly. I firmly believe that no matter how thorough the training you can't train for every unique circumstance. Of course there is also the viewpoint that if cell phones weren't allowed in class we wouldn't have any of this.. Interested in others comments.
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Good post....I've had many of the same thoughts. In all the talk about him being out of line, I have yet to hear any kind of solution to deal with students that are disruptive. I feel like kids blantant disrespect for authority is getting worse every day and they're getting more and more bold about the things they've doing. Really it leaves 2 options. Let the kids be as disruptive as they want to be for fear of backlash. Or, physically remove them from the classroom. Sometimes that doesn't look pleasant on film.
 
Here is a definition of an SRO

The SRO has a diverse role is the school community and has many duties and responsibilities.

We have defined a School Resource Officer as a sworn officer assigned to a school on a long-term basis trained to perform three major roles: law enforcement officer, law-related counselor and law-related educator. In addition, the officer works in collaboration with the school and the community as a resource for safety and security issues.

As a law enforcement officer, the school becomes the officer's beat. The SRO assists the school administration in maintaining a safe and secure environment. School administrators benefit from the SROs training, knowledge and experience is handling situations involving possible weapons violations or in the identification of controlled dangerous substances. The SRO provides a highly visible presence to deter or identify trespassers on campus. In addition, SROs provide a service to the surrounding community by addressing concerns such as loitering, speeding or loud car radios. The students when going to or from school often generate these types of community complaints.

SROs are responsible for investigating violations of criminal law and when appropriate make arrests. An SROs sworn duty to enforce the law does not contradict the need for the SRO to be positive role model -- it in fact supports it. It is essential for a SRO to endorse high moral standards and use good judgment and discretion. Through this, students learn and understand what a professional police officer does.

It is important to note that SROs are not school disciplinarians. SROs should not be involved in investigating school rule violations: For example, a student cheating on a test. Violations of school rules are the responsibility of the principal and faculty. If a violation of a school rule is also a criminal offense the SRO may conduct a concurrent investigation and take the appropriate action under the policies and procedures set forth by their police agency.
 
So, a puppy took a nip at a guy and the guy threw the puppy across the room. No sweat, right?

Use of force should be proportional to the threat.

Robert
 
Exactly, what type of response is sufficient to make one who refuses to comply do what an officer instructs them to do?
 
That child was no threat and there was no need to throw her around like that. If you need more people so you can handle someone more gently you get them. This was unprofessional and indefensible.

Robert
 
WhyteWizard said:
That child was no threat and there was no need to throw her around like that. If you need more people so you can handle someone more gently you get them. This was unprofessional and indefensible.

Robert
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I would say the officer was maybe a little out of line. But the girl is also more than a child. She was 16, which is old enough to drive, therefore old enough to make decisions and cooperate with authorities. How would you handle the situation if you were the officer: oh, lets just tell the parents about the problem: if the girl didnt respect authority, you think the parents do? Maybe, more than likely not. Or, just give the "child" a timeout? A huge problem with this country is lack of respect.

I wasnt there so I have no idea what went down, just trying to say the girl is old enough to take some responsibility.
 
How would you want it handled if it was your child. Kids have poor impulse control and poor judgement, that's part of being a child. I wasn't there and I'm not sure what other options were available but there is no excuse for the option that was taken.

Here are a couple of things that might have been done. The officer could have gotten other teachers involved and a group of them could have taken her - desk and all - anywhere they wanted. They could have just stood around her and talked with her till she decided she'd had enough attention in front of her friends to just get up and go with them. You'd be surprised how much of the time a gentle voice, asking what the problem is, "How can I help?" works.

Do you think the girl's race has anything to do with the willingness of people to side with the officer?

Robert
 
If I would have disrupted class when I was in school, and the same thing would have happened to me as that girl, I would have still got a proper spanking when I got home. And this race thing is getting old, why dont people focus on real problems. God created us and we are all the equal in His eyes.
 
WhyteWizard said:
Do you think the girl's race has anything to do with the willingness of people to side with the officer?

Robert
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"I'll take complete lack of respect for authority, disrupting a classroom, and refusing to obey a teacher's and a sro's orders to leave a classroom for $100 Alex"
 
Maybe the officer should have sat down and begged and pleaded her to allow him to put on the handcuffs.... Yeah that's it. Ask all suspects/criminals to allow them to be placed in custody.

"Would you please allow me to place you in custody?..."

I am completely amazed that people think they have a complete grasp of a situation from watching a 30 second video. If it is not painfully obvious to people when a school walks out in support of the cop, there is more to the situation than can be gleaned for a short video.


Face it people, it's open season on cops... The aclu has just released a phone app to record and send to them anything you might consider a violation.
 
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