More "Optimum X" News...

[Scottwax]

I talked to Dr. Ghodoussi this afternoon about Optimum X. I haven't been involved in the testing other than an early sample more than a year ago so I am out of the loop on it.



He said it is an actual coating, not a sealant. It has UV protection in it as well. As long as there is paint underneath it, Optimum X will still be there. He also said it will make softer paints more resistant to swirls and scratches. He is still working on exactly how he will market the product so anything you've heard so far is speculation or just ideas that have come out of discussions with those testing it. There is no firm price point yet either.



If Optimum X works as advertised, it would be a good way to market full wetsand jobs (to remove severe defects and orange peel) while maintaining a safe clear coat thickness.

 

[Ron Harris]

Depends on how easily and trouble free it applies. What about overspray? How is it removed? You can buy traditional clearcoat at the autoparts store pretty inexpensively.

I wonder if it's similar to a clear version of touchup123?

With regards to the over spray. The first test vehicle done with a pump spray got over spray on some of the fenders and glass. We didn't see it until the next day and it had to be leveled out with a machine polish. The glass was cleaned with 0000 steel wool.

 

[reaper34]

I talked to Dr. Ghodoussi this afternoon about Optimum X. I haven't been involved in the testing other than an early sample more than a year ago so I am out of the loop on it.



He said it is an actual coating, not a sealant. It has UV protection in it as well. As long as there is paint underneath it, Optimum X will still be there. He also said it will make softer paints more resistant to swirls and scratches. He is still working on exactly how he will market the product so anything you've heard so far is speculation or just ideas that have come out of discussions with those testing it. There is no firm price point yet either.



If Optimum X works as advertised, it would be a good way to market full wetsand jobs (to remove severe defects and orange peel) while maintaining a safe clear coat thickness.

so this would be more akin to x-cote as is the speculation? anybody in know correct me if need be.

 

[Ron Harris]

X-Kote is designed to temporally correct the finish. Hiding and filling scratches.

This new product is pure protection.

 

[RTexasF]

Interesting but early in the game.

 

[reaper34]

X-Kote is designed to temporally correct the finish. Hiding and filling scratches.

This new product is pure protection.

so protective coating with no cleaning, correction or filling, just pure protection?

 

[Cleaning Fool]

Hmmm..For the average joe blow harry homebody like me, the product doesn't really seem to fill a need for me. Sounds like something a body shop/experienced full time detailer might use.

 

[Deanski]

This, from the same Dr G who claimed that Menzerna polishes swell paint?:rofl



Oh boy, more hype and slick marketing. Sounds the same as some of the "commercial" type sealants.



I'll sit this one out. Best of luck on this one.:hmph:



Deanski

 

[Scottwax]

so this would be more akin to x-cote as is the speculation? anybody in know correct me if need be.

By marketing to wetsanding customers, I mean that you would do the wetsanding and proper polishing and the Optimum X would sort of take the place of the removed clear coat.

 

[Chris@Optimum]

This, from the same Dr G who claimed that Menzerna polishes swell paint?:rofl



Oh boy, more hype and slick marketing. Sounds the same as some of the "commercial" type sealants.



I'll sit this one out. Best of luck on this one.:hmph:



Deanski

I remember not too long ago another Optimum product came out and you sat it out too. I'm wondering who you are informing of this information. Is the fact that you don't buy into the hype relevant to us in some way? I'm not trying to flame you, just wondering who you think cares whether you try new products or not...

 

[salty]

X-Kote is designed to temporally correct the finish. Hiding and filling scratches.

This new product is pure protection.

Having seen X-Kote still on cars and boats after a couple years, not sure where the temporary comes from and what exactly is pure protection?



I am not knocking product X and am looking forward to knowing more about it.



Copied from Anthony's post on the product.



"Cost is not yet set but look for a price around $90.00 for 2 ounces. 2 ounces should be enough to coat 4 to 5 cars. Durability is far beyond any sealant. It can be layered and also topped with carnauba waxes and polymer sealants."



There is not going to be much film build up if you only use 1/2 oz per car. As stated it adds a layer to the clear.

 

[Deanski]

I remember not too long ago another Optimum product came out and you sat it out too. I'm wondering who you are informing of this information. Is the fact that you don't buy into the hype relevant to us in some way? I'm not trying to flame you, just wondering who you think cares whether you try new products or not...

I'll tell you why.... As I said, from someone who claims Menzerna "swells paint", is one reason why. Judging from that "thought", I'll stay away from private label products when comments come from someone who should know better.



Also, the price is another. Why whould one pay all this $$ for a sealant? I purchase gallons of commercial sealants and mark them up when doing dealer cars. And yes, they have a very broad warranty on maintaining it properly, which "booster" has to be used and when for a claim of failure of the sealant. It's just a money maker, plain and simple.



Maybe you're marketing this along the Zymol Solaris wax line?



I'm happy for you if you get people to purchase this and have great results which would then justify the cost, look and longevity.



As I've said as to Optimum polishes, they seem to work very well for other users and not using it I cannot really say how well it works for myself so I do not comment except to bring up the point others do use it and have very good results from it.



So, understand I'm not one to run out and try the latest sealant from whomever offiers it. That's unless the company sends a sample and I can objectivly comment on it.



Good luck on the new product, and I hope it works just as well as the polish line.



Maybe you sould become a member of Professional Car Wash and Detailing.



Regards,

Deanski

 

[reaper34]

I'm waiting till the official unveiling to actually find out what it is and does. speculation leads to let down imo.

 

[Gemini13]

This, from the same Dr G who claimed that Menzerna polishes swell paint?:rofl



Oh boy, more hype and slick marketing. Sounds the same as some of the "commercial" type sealants.



I'll sit this one out. Best of luck on this one.:hmph:



Deanski

I'll tell you why.... As I said, from someone who claims Menzerna "swells paint", is one reason why. Judging from that "thought", I'll stay away from private label products when comments come from someone who should know better.



Also, the price is another. Why whould one pay all this $$ for a sealant? I purchase gallons of commercial sealants and mark them up when doing dealer cars. And yes, they have a very broad warranty on maintaining it properly, which "booster" has to be used and when for a claim of failure of the sealant. It's just a money maker, plain and simple.



Maybe you're marketing this along the Zymol Solaris wax line?



I'm happy for you if you get people to purchase this and have great results which would then justify the cost, look and longevity.



As I've said as to Optimum polishes, they seem to work very well for other users and not using it I cannot really say how well it works for myself so I do not comment except to bring up the point others do use it and have very good results from it.



So, understand I'm not one to run out and try the latest sealant from whomever offiers it. That's unless the company sends a sample and I can objectivly comment on it.



Good luck on the new product, and I hope it works just as well as the polish line.



Maybe you sould become a member of Professional Car Wash and Detailing.



Regards,

Deanski

Actually it wasn't Dr. G but Anthony and Ron who were in a sense thinking out loud based on some experiences they had with Menz products and looking for further impute on the matter. Just sayin.



Could Menzerna Be Smoke & Mirrors? - Optimum Forum

 

[Ron Harris]

The only Menzerna product in question was the 106FF.

We use FPII on a daily basis and have done so for over 3 years.

An associate in NJ who has a BMW had done a side by side and couldn't belive the Menzerna was that good. He left his car in his shop for the weekend with no protection on the paint. Pulling his car out on Monday he noticed some of the marring back. He is in a controlled environment and could do it over and over again.

All Anthony and I wanted to know is was any one else having the same problem. However it gets blown out of proportion and ends up as us slamming the Menzerna Line that we have been useing longer then most people have been detailing pro or hobby.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

The only Menzerna product in question was the 106FF.

We use FPII on a daily basis and have done so for over 3 years.

An associate in NJ who has a BMW had done a side by side and couldn't belive the Menzerna was that good. He left his car in his shop for the weekend with no protection on the paint. Pulling his car out on Monday he noticed some of the marring back. He is in a controlled environment and could do it over and over again.

All Anthony and I wanted to know is was any one else having the same problem. However it gets blown out of proportion and ends up as us slamming the Menzerna Line that we have been useing longer then most people have been detailing pro or hobby.

Of topic but... Jeff Silver adamently stands behind his claim that 106ff doesn't fill and that we are all lying when we say we have defect return.... He has gone so far as to call me a liar on other forums...



This despite over 40 people have no noticed marring return from several days (with out an LSP) to several months (with an LSP).... But remember, Jeff will not admit this problem and would rather call us liars...



Besides, how many click and brags have we seen with people finishing 106ff on a white pad..... Seriously, that is a lot of holograms that will likely return...

 

[Ron Harris]

If it's not their intention for the product to do this then I can understand their argument.

But to call people liars and bashers because of an observation is uncalled for.

We all share to gain Knowledge on these forums. Call it Hyping or bashing we all can learn something.

 

[Chris@Optimum]

I'll tell you why.... As I said, from someone who claims Menzerna "swells paint", is one reason why. Judging from that "thought", I'll stay away from private label products when comments come from someone who should know better.

I'm not sure what you're referring to and Optimum isn't a private label, but stay away from whatever you like...just don't know why you think you need to post negativity on stuff you haven't even tried and isn't even out yet. Just looks like you're bashing.

Also, the price is another. Why whould one pay all this $$ for a sealant? I purchase gallons of commercial sealants and mark them up when doing dealer cars. And yes, they have a very broad warranty on maintaining it properly, which "booster" has to be used and when for a claim of failure of the sealant. It's just a money maker, plain and simple.

It's not a sealant; it's a coating. Price hasn't been established yet, the one given is only speculation based on conversations during development. Everyone in this game is in it to make money. Not sure what you're talking about is a "booster"...if you mean Polycharger, it's not an Optimum product.

Maybe you're marketing this along the Zymol Solaris wax line?

I'm not marketing anything, I haven't even evaluated "X" yet. And I don't get the Zymol reference either, I've never used anything Zymol makes or made statements about their products, neither positive or negative.

I'm happy for you if you get people to purchase this and have great results which would then justify the cost, look and longevity.

Again, I could care less if people purchase it, it doesn't help me at all. I am glad that I am the only Detailer in my area that uses Optimum and doubt I'd ever share the excellent product line with any of them, because Optimum definitely gives me an edge over them. I'm glad you are secure in the products you use, but the difference in me and you is that I'm not being sarcastic

.

As I've said as to Optimum polishes, they seem to work very well for other users and not using it I cannot really say how well it works for myself so I do not comment except to bring up the point others do use it and have very good results from it.

Why doesn't your logic here, not apply to all new Optimum products that you haven't tried? Like I said earlier, I've noticed that you post to threads about Optimum letting us all know that you won't be trying them....who cares? How does that contribute to the thread or the forum? What is the basis for unsolicited negativity?

So, understand I'm not one to run out and try the latest sealant from whomever offiers it. That's unless the company sends a sample and I can objectivly comment on it.

Understood, that's the most logical thing you've said and I'd have to totally agree. Some things I try and some things I don't, but I don't talk about stuff I've never tried and say "well, I'm not gonna try it because Dr. So-n-so made a statement I don't agree with and I don't trust anything he says now" That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It not justified and borderline slanderous.

Good luck on the new product, and I hope it works just as well as the polish line.

Thanks I guess, not my product line. And again: what's with the sarcasm?

Maybe you sould become a member of Professional Car Wash and Detailing.

Maybe I will, but it wouldn't be because you've enlightened me with your wisdom, more like you'd be the reason I didn't with all your negativity and elitism.



What was this thread about again? LOL



Chris

 

[detaildoc]

Of topic but... Jeff Silver adamently stands behind his claim that 106ff doesn't fill and that we are all lying when we say we have defect return.... He has gone so far as to call me a liar on other forums...



This despite over 40 people have no noticed marring return from several days (with out an LSP) to several months (with an LSP).... But remember, Jeff will not admit this problem and would rather call us liars...



Besides, how many click and brags have we seen with people finishing 106ff on a white pad..... Seriously, that is a lot of holograms that will likely return...

Not to hijack the thread, but TH001, do you believe that 106ff has fillers? I just used it for the first time on my wife's SUV with a white pad and it finished really nice. After I applied the first coat of UPGP, I noticed that I had missed some light swirls on the hood. These were very light, so I would think that they would have been covered by the 106ff if it had any fillers. I will be inspecting the paint closely over the next few weeks to see if any swirls return.



That Optimum X stuff looks too plastic for my taste.

 

[SuperBee364]

Not to hijack the thread, but TH001, do you believe that 106ff has fillers? I just used it for the first time on my wife's SUV with a white pad and it finished really nice. After I applied the first coat of UPGP, I noticed that I had missed some light swirls on the hood. These were very light, so I would think that they would have been covered by the 106ff if it had any fillers. I will be inspecting the paint closely over the next few weeks to see if any swirls return.



That Optimum X stuff looks too plastic for my taste.

DetailDoc, I think the final agreed-to consensus was that PO106FF unintentionally hides defects, due to the oils used as lubes in the polish. Menzerna blatantly denies PO106FF as having *any* filling properties, intentional or otherwise. However, many very well-respected Autopians have proof otherwise. So we/they/us are chocking it up to "an unintentional defect hiding ability". Some people say the best way to un-hide 106FF masked defects is by using PrepSol, others say PrepSol won't touch it, and to use IPA. I use IPA (I have not tried PrepSol), and have been successful in getting it to reveal otherwise hidden defects after 106.