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Yeah, Accumulatorettes home-state of TN gets *HOT & HUMID* but some people there dress nicely all the time. Here in OH, by the time its 75◦...

No surprise that *YOU* dress nicely, Bill!
 
Remember the old saying - "Clothes make the man" ???

I know that there are a bunch of incredibly rich millionaire kids up there wearing hoodies, etc, to work and all, and I just think, how much more Credible they would be perceived if they just wore what the rest of the millionaires/billionaires wore to work...

Along with losing respect for about everything good in Society today, unfortunately many are losing respect for themselves as well..
Dan F
 
For occasions I always learned to dress well. You can always take over dressed and make it down dressed but you cant up dress tatters.
 
Poorboy said:
As a side note I was talking to our Denmark distributor about their high taxes 60% and higher .. and he explained briefly that they pay high taxes and get free education through college , are trained for high technology jobs, have great free / or low cost medical, and have a very high pay scale due to their ability to take high end jobs. The people working the service industry are usually foreigners ... yes they are a small country, but it is something to think about.
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I see stuff like this and I want to puke. Denmark. This is supposed to me America. A place where everyone has a chance to make something of themselves - and not a place where they are penalized if they succeed.

America doesnt need free anything - or higher taxes. We need our citizens to get of their azzes and make it happen for themselves.

What great thing in the history of the world has Denmark done?? Make cheese?
 
Swanicyouth said:
I see stuff like this and I want to puke. Denmark. This is supposed to me America. A place where everyone has a chance to make something of themselves - and not a place where they are penalized if they succeed.

America doesnt need free anything - or higher taxes. We need our citizens to get of their azzes and make it happen for themselves.

What great thing in the history of the world has Denmark done?? Make cheese?
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahah !!!!!

Tell us how you really feel....... :D
 
Swanicyouth said:
OK, well...

They have legalized heroin there and bent over for the Nazis during WW2. Two more reasons why I would want nothing to do with that place.
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Well they couldnt run fast in wooden shoes...... :D

and thats all they could afford with those high taxes
 
Swanicyouth said:
What great thing in the history of the world has Denmark done?? Make cheese?
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I know there has been prior stuff posted but if they are happy then it should not matter. One should not judge a countrys "success" by your way and choose their own life style. They are smart enough to let another country spend $600 Billion a year being the world police.

They likely consider us the losers who seem to like to kill each other, weak uneven education system, health care that bankrupts people, a country that advocates human rights but has its own internal issues, and just being an annoying jerk in the world. Trump likely personifies the worlds view of us.
 
Bunky said:
I know there has been prior stuff posted but if they are happy then it should not matter. One should not judge a countrys "success" by your way and choose their own life style. They are smart enough to let another country spend $600 Billion a year being the world police.

They likely consider us the losers who seem to like to kill each other, weak uneven education system, health care that bankrupts people, a country that advocates human rights but has its own internal issues, and just being an annoying jerk in the world. Trump likely personifies the worlds view of us.
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Al, you seem a little annoyed this evening? Somewhat upset at the US.
 
Swanicyouth said:
I see stuff like this and I want to puke. Denmark. This is supposed to me America. A place where everyone has a chance to make something of themselves - and not a place where they are penalized if they succeed.

America doesnt need free anything - or higher taxes. We need our citizens to get of their azzes and make it happen for themselves.

What great thing in the history of the world has Denmark done?? Make cheese?
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Dont puke .. but try and think how other societies work and learn from them ... dont know how old you are but I do remember pretty high taxes here (60s & 70s) in the US, especially on capital gains and many people were still rich, we had a real middle class and yes there was still poverty ... not a solution to tax the successful .. but food for thought
[TABLE="class: wikitable collapsible, align: center"]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2, colspan: 8"]History of income tax rates adjusted for inflation (1913–2010)[SUP][69][/SUP][SUP][70][/SUP][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"][/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Number of[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]First Bracket[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2, colspan: 3"]Top Bracket[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Year[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Brackets[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Rate[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Rate[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Income[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Adj. 2015[SUP][62][/SUP][SUP][71][/SUP][/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]Comment[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1913[/TH]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]7%[/TD]
[TD]$500,000[/TD]
[TD]$12 million[/TD]
[TD]First permanent income tax[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1917[/TH]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]67%[/TD]
[TD]$2,000,000[/TD]
[TD]$36.9 million[/TD]
[TD]World War I financing[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1925[/TH]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]1.5%[/TD]
[TD]25%[/TD]
[TD]$100,000[/TD]
[TD]$1.35 million[/TD]
[TD]Post war reductions[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1932[/TH]
[TD]55[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]63%[/TD]
[TD]$1,000,000[/TD]
[TD]$17.3 million[/TD]
[TD]Depression era[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1936[/TH]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]79%[/TD]
[TD]$5,000,000[/TD]
[TD]$85.3 million[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1941[/TH]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[TD]81%[/TD]
[TD]$5,000,000[/TD]
[TD]$80.4 million[/TD]
[TD]World War II[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1942[/TH]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]19%[/TD]
[TD]88%[/TD]
[TD]$200,000[/TD]
[TD]$2.9 million[/TD]
[TD]Revenue Act of 1942[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1944[/TH]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]23%[/TD]
[TD]94%[/TD]
[TD]$200,000[/TD]
[TD]$2.69 million[/TD]
[TD]Individual Income Tax Act of 1944[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1946[/TH]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]20%[/TD]
[TD]91%[/TD]
[TD]$200,000[/TD]
[TD]$2.43 million[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1964[/TH]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]16%[/TD]
[TD]77%[/TD]
[TD]$400,000[/TD]
[TD]$3.05 million[/TD]
[TD]Tax reduction during Vietnam war[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1965[/TH]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]14%[/TD]
[TD]70%[/TD]
[TD]$200,000[/TD]
[TD]$1.5 million[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1981[/TH]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]14%[/TD]
[TD]70%[/TD]
[TD]$215,400[/TD]
[TD]$561 thousand[/TD]
[TD]Reagan era tax cuts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1982[/TH]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]12%[/TD]
[TD]50%[/TD]
[TD]$85,600[/TD]
[TD]$210 thousand[/TD]
[TD]Reagan era tax cuts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1987[/TH]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]11%[/TD]
[TD]38.5%[/TD]
[TD]$90,000[/TD]
[TD]$187 thousand[/TD]
[TD]Reagan era tax cuts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1988[/TH]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]15%[/TD]
[TD]28%[/TD]
[TD]$29,750[/TD]
[TD]$59.5 thousand[/TD]
[TD]Reagan era tax cuts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1991[/TH]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]15%[/TD]
[TD]31%[/TD]
[TD]$82,150[/TD]
[TD]$143 thousand[/TD]
[TD]Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]1993[/TH]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]15%[/TD]
[TD]39.6%[/TD]
[TD]$250,000[/TD]
[TD]$410 thousand[/TD]
[TD]Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]2003[/TH]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[TD]35%[/TD]
[TD]$311,950[/TD]
[TD]$401 thousand[/TD]
[TD]Bush tax cuts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]2011[/TH]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[TD]35%[/TD]
[TD]$379,150[/TD]
[TD]$399 thousand[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]2013[/TH]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[TD]39.6%[/TD]
[TD]$400,000[/TD]
[TD]$406 thousand[/TD]
[TD]American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Bunky said:
I know there has been prior stuff posted but if they are happy then it should not matter. One should not judge a countrys "success" by your way and choose their own life style. They are smart enough to let another country spend $600 Billion a year being the world police.

They likely consider us the losers who seem to like to kill each other, weak uneven education system, health care that bankrupts people, a country that advocates human rights but has its own internal issues, and just being an annoying jerk in the world. Trump likely personifies the worlds view of us.
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No, Al they do love us and in some ways jealous of our lower tax system ... they are a small country with high standards when it comes to especially education.
I dont know a lot about their education system, but I was told they are taught relevant material so that those who want to be educated can command high paying jobs..
 
Swanicyouth said:
I see stuff like this and I want to puke. Denmark. This is supposed to me America. A place where everyone has a chance to make something of themselves - and not a place where they are penalized if they succeed.

America doesnt need free anything - or higher taxes. We need our citizens to get of their azzes and make it happen for themselves.

What great thing in the history of the world has Denmark done?? Make cheese?
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My my dad was at a presentation a year or two ago by Herman Caine. He talked about the minimum wage "problem." Mainly, he crushed the notion that minimum wage at 40 hours a week was ever supposed to be enough to raise a family on. It wasnt and still isnt. Thats not the purpose of minimum wage laws. He told a story about his father working 3 jobs to support the family. Eventually, he was able to get a better job and work two jobs and earn enough to support the family. After more training and experience, he was able to go down to one job. As he said it, that folks is the American dream. Those willing to earn it have the opportunity. But somewhere, Americans lost sight of all that.
 
Danish people make lovely furniture out of Teak wood... :)

I personally saw a few hundred of them work on top of the world at the North Pole, and they work really hard and dont screw around..

I befriended a few of them and they told me they were working there in bitter cold, wearing wooden clogs, because the tax rate back home in Denmark was so high, they could barely afford to live there..
So, they signed a 5-year contract to come work at the top of Danish owned Greenland and get taxed way, way, less for the time they were there..

I later met a few more in California in Agri-business who were very, very, intelligent men from Gasa Odense... They had built up a great business and were looking to partner with this company in Sacramento to import their goods here..

I think they all really admired America and Americans and despite the huge load of taxes they were born into, they still loved Denmark and would never consider leaving home for good..

Thats all I know about Denmark... :)
Dan F
 
jrock645 said:
My my dad was at a presentation a year or two ago by Herman Caine. He talked about the minimum wage "problem." Mainly, he crushed the notion that minimum wage at 40 hours a week was ever supposed to be enough to raise a family on. It wasnt and still isnt. Thats not the purpose of minimum wage laws. He told a story about his father working 3 jobs to support the family. Eventually, he was able to get a better job and work two jobs and earn enough to support the family. After more training and experience, he was able to go down to one job. As he said it, that folks is the American dream. Those willing to earn it have the opportunity. But somewhere, Americans lost sight of all that.
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Thank you !!!!!
 
jrock645 said:
My my dad was at a presentation a year or two ago by Herman Caine. He talked about the minimum wage "problem." Mainly, he crushed the notion that minimum wage at 40 hours a week was ever supposed to be enough to raise a family on. It wasnt and still isnt. Thats not the purpose of minimum wage laws. He told a story about his father working 3 jobs to support the family. Eventually, he was able to get a better job and work two jobs and earn enough to support the family. After more training and experience, he was able to go down to one job. As he said it, that folks is the American dream. Those willing to earn it have the opportunity. But somewhere, Americans lost sight of all that.
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Jrock645 - Those willing to earn it have the opportunity. But somewhere, Americans lost sight of all that.

You have nailed it precisely !!! Thank you !!!!

And, as long as everyone is looking DOWN, tippy-tapping on a tiny keyboard with 2 fingers, more interested in telling legions of nameless, disinterested people, their whereabouts, the Employers of those good jobs just throw up their hands and wait for that 1 person who has some actual social skills enough to carry on a face-to-face conversation, ask the right questions, answer questions thoughtfully and carefully, and Sell Themselves to a company that has profit sharing, 401k and an awesome health plan..
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
Jrock645 - Those willing to earn it have the opportunity. But somewhere, Americans lost sight of all that.

You have nailed it precisely !!! Thank you !!!!

And, as long as everyone is looking DOWN, tippy-tapping on a tiny keyboard with 2 fingers, more interested in telling legions of nameless, disinterested people, their whereabouts, the Employers of those good jobs just throw up their hands and wait for that 1 person who has some actual social skills enough to carry on a face-to-face conversation, ask the right questions, answer questions thoughtfully and carefully, and Sell Themselves to a company that has profit sharing, 401k and an awesome health plan..
Dan F
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Dan I think you found the missing link here without even mentioning it ...

Our Education system has failed !!! We learn more or less the same as we did 50 years ago .. the subjects have added a few technology classes, but the rest of the world is teaching high tech not trigonometry ... Government small and large , states and local, do not have the support of funds to really prepare kids for the real world .. the few and far between that actually generate what you said, are out numbered probably 10:1 (just guessing) .. reading today is mostly on twitter and the goal oriented kids are not always given the resources to achieve, so employers look to overseas .. (my wife was a recruiter for fortune 100 companies to find computer programmers) most come from India and Asia ... look around at a hospital and see who your care takers are ... who answers a technical question when you call a 800 number in the middle of the night. Funny how many foreigners still come to the US for higher learning, especially technical professions, yet we have a hard time getting American kids to this level .. I dont believe our kids are stupid, but are they learning the right stuff?
Can we afford as a nation to have a large percent of our under 30 population living with their parents ? and what happens when the parents age out (nice way to say pass away) and their funds go with them? Will we have a large percent of our population not capable of earning a living?
When will we also lower the age of education, as it simply is not made for everyone and the high schoolers who are not interested are usually a disruption, and bring in an apprenticeship tax break for businesses who are willing to hire and train, but could never afford a minimum wage to do so?
As it was said earlier in this thread, some one has to dig the ditches and as I tell my kids, some one has to work at the grocery store ...
Just some food for thought ;)
 
I have a great friend who came out of High School in San Antonio, Texas, decided he wanted to be a plumber, got some plumbers to join up with him, and he built an incredible commercial business not once, but twice...

He was forward thinking enough to name his business - A1 Plumbing - so it showed up at the top of all listings in the phone book; he worked really hard and did not sit back while others did the work; he was honest and fair to all..

He was likeable, approachable, socially very adept, and well liked by everyone he came in contact with..

He was/is all business at work and did not mix business with pleasure..

He put money into the business and it sounds like he did what these great guys at PoorBoys do with their business concerning their staff... Paid above wage for above level work..

Later down the road, a huge company approached him and asked if they could buy his business from him for XXXMillion dollars, so after much thought, he sold it to them...
He had to follow the Non-Compete part of the contract and just played for awhile until it ran out..

When it ran out, he started up another plumbing company, secured another huge amount of commercial accounts, and is happily going along adding to his millions of bucks again...

So, see, everyone has at least the potential of really doing something with their lives if they really want to put their heads and hands to work...

He is in his middle 50s too... :)
Dan F
 
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