killrwheels said:
yes, I am one in the same. And as you can tell, I am not very fond of NXT.
After reading your posts on CorvetteForum, I already knew that.
killrwheels said:
I had hoped it would be all Mequires claimed, but found the results on Silver to be disappointing at best.
Now there's the ultimate test... See my comments on paint color and wax performance below.
killrwheels said:
Luckily time rewarded me with Wolfgang Concours and it "seems" to be a "great" product.
Ahh good old
Time, the great rewarder.
Like I always say,
"Find something you like and use it often"
killrwheels [/i][B]
As to layering said:
As for the tool box, I was looking for NXT's redeeming qualities. Unfortunately I did not prep (polish / glaze) the tool box first and results were unrewarding at best. I really wondered if Mequires product was "better" on darker finishes.
Again, another stellar test...
You know, if your were really sincere in your questions, that would be one thing and I would by happy to answer them, but your posts here, and on CorvetteForum, like this one,
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=778912
killrwheels said:
I clearly missed this one , sorry ! All the NXT stuff I suppose
Your Corvetteforum discount applies 10% off, and the Wolfgang discount was for the same amount. I believe it was Wolf01 . Some of us got lucky and snagged an evaluation kit. This stuff rocks , very similar to Zaino. Better than NXT, Klasse, and Blackfire IMHO.
Again, your post on CorvetteForum,
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=772366
killrwheels said:
http://www.wolfgangcarcare.com/
not a fan of NXT .... but initial results with this new Sealant look very promising. Its sold at http://www.autogeek.net and 10% forum discount applies. Its very user friendly, it comes on/off with ease, looks very reflective, and no mixing/curing time necessary. It can also be layered, but durability is unknown as too new.
And again,
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=778041
killrwheels said:
go to http://www.autopia.org and type Wolfgang in the search field. Everyone is impressed with it. It is Zaino and what NXT (sucks) was suppose to be. All results are positive and more glowing results surface daily.
and again here...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=773953
killrwheels said:
1. Shine is very subjective to each person. I dont think its as good as Pinnacle Soveran for depth and wetness (partially due to oils that carnuba contains) but equally as glossy and reflective as Zaino and Klasse. (Blackfire and NXT** dont compare IMHO)
2. I dont like the idea of toppers. To much work needed, to remove and recover every couple months. While sealant will provide extra durability, the carnuba makes another level impossible. Also can the oils and wax deteriorate the sealant level quicker ??
**I have taken alot of heat on my impressions of NXT , but alot of seasoned detailers are finding similar results. It works well on dark colors but seems to have a color addiative or brightners that everyone likes initially. It has cleaners (Mequires admitted it and can remove past sealants) thus making layering a bogus feature, and durability is no better than a carnuba. Different thoughts will apply as this is subjective not clinical in nature.
Up until now I used a sealant exclusively on wifes car for durability. I used Klasse (AIO and sealant) but will easily consider Wolfgang. While I still have many bottles of Zaino it is just to cumbersome with mixing, curing, and levels needed. (It still looks the best when done properly however) I would easily park Wolfgang next to it, and just wonder if durability can match Klasse (4 months) to Zaino (6 months).
Just a note, the best test of any last step product is on black paint. Black paint demonstrates how dark, or how dull a product performs. If a product works great on black paint, it will work great on all colors. If a product
only works good on light colors or silver colors, that’s code to me that the product doesn’t work well on black paint. Actually, for most people, when we talk about working on different paint colors, it’s very misleading. If your car has a clearcoat, that means your not working on color, but on clear paint.
If a product works well on black paint, or in other words, clear coat over black paint. Then because you’re actually working on a clear coat, this means your product works great on a clear coat. As in it makes it darker and more clear, and it doesn’t dull it, or make it look plasticy. (hazy). If a product makes black paint darker by making the clear coat more clear, than isn’t that the ultimate finish? A totally clear, clear coat? If a product is said to be better on silver paint, (or whatever), then isn’t that saying the product is good on clear paint over silver? But, if this same product isn’t good on black paint, which is clear paint over black paint, then isn’t that really a way of saying the product dulls a clear coat and should only be used on silver, or light colors where the base coat won’t show the true results of the product because it’s lighter?
All this talk about one product being better on light colors and some product being better on dark colors is nonsense. The true test of any product is on black paint, or a clear coat finish over black paint. If a product can make black paint/clear coat over black paint look it’s darkest and most clear, the product will naturally make any color paint, especially and color of paint with a clear coat over it, look it’s darkest and clearest.
If a product gets a reputation for working best on light colors, well that’s because it doesn’t work well on dark colors and black paint and that’s because it dull the single stage paint, or the clear coat.
It’s hard to believe the topic of some products work better on some colors has become so confused when most cars have a clear coat. A product either makes the clear coat clear, or is doesn’t. Isn’t that the goal? 99.9% Optically Clear?
Let’s make a list of products, i.e. waxes, paint protectants and polishes, that have a reputation for making black paint, both single stage and clear coat dark and clear.
Let’s see, since Killrwheels said above,
killrwheels said:
It works well on dark colors
Let's start a list of waxes that make single stage black and black paint with a clear coat over it, look darker and more clear.
More...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=777362
killrwheels said:
I am truly impressed with Wolfgang. While not as wet as Pinnacle Soveran, it truly is a better Zaino and clearly what Mequires NXT was suppose to be. It goes on easy, comes off extremely easy even when heavy, and it looks extremely reflective and glossy. Durability is the only unknown factor !
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=778601
killrwheels said:
I agree that proper prep with make any sealant, or wax look better. That being said, there is alot of disention on NXT over at http://www.autopia.org (true detailing board) This board is monitored by Mequires and pro-detailers, and a search will provide many pics, complaints, comparisions, and positive results.
They have found out it contains light cleaners, from Mike Phillips at Mequires himself, and can remove previous levels and products. that means all of your additional layer claims are bogus, you are not enhancing but stripping Now the booster may not have the same properties, this has not been discussed further.
They also found that the durability of the product is 4-8 weeks. same as carnuba, and unlike sealants like Zaino, Klasse, and Blackfire It also prefers to sheet not bead like traditional products, which takes some getting use to.
If you are really looking for a Zaino clone, look at Wolfgang Concours. Does everything better than NXT. Now in all fairness, durability is still out, as product is too new. But look at the same board http://www.autopia.org and see not a bad review yet.
I will admit that NXT favors black rides. I used it on my mamoth tool box (vblack) this weekend, with no prep. It streaked, and everytime I open the drawer it leaves fingerprints. Unscientific at best ....
killrwheels said:
I have nothing against you, and feel that NXT is ultimately marketed towards a different crowd. (mass retail) I dont feel it compares to Klasse , Blackfire, and Wolfgang. But I also dont want to spout wrong information if I have misunderstood some of your posts. Thats why I am coming to you.
NXT Tech Wax is marketed towards anyone who wants their finish to look great. This includes the mass retail market, (you know, your neighbors, friends and parents), as well as serious enthusiasts. Car wax isn't prejudice. It either works on paint, or it doesn't. It doesn't care if it is being applied to a Corvette, or a Chevette.
As we all know, you are entitled to your opinion. Autopia fosters this free expression from all it's members. Your opinion is that Tech Wax doesn't compare to Klasse, Blackfire, Wolfgang and Zaino, and you appear to be willing to go to great lengths to make sure that your opinion is understood. Works for me. Keep it up. You're doing a stellar job.
I appreciate that you don't want to
spout wrong information. It doesn't appear that you have misunderstood any of my posts. It does appear you only like to pick and choose portions that bolster your dislike for NXT Tech Wax. I mean, just a casual perusal of your posts on CorvetteForum tend to show you
really like and promote some products through coupon codes and links, while harbor a complete disdain for Tech Wax after applying it to your tool box.
Look’s like you already know the answers to your questions. I don't think the are any highly specialized abrasives in the NXT Spray Wax. But I'll check because I think that is a valid question.
You know killrwheels, I enjoy answering questions and doing my best to help people get the best possible results from there time, money and efforts.
I have been posting to the Internet since 1994, probably before the majority of people knew what the Internet was/is. I read your first post to this thread and remembered reading many of your negative posts on CorvetteForum and it was pretty hard for me to believe your intentions were/are for
good.
Perhaps they are, but it just doesn’t
read that way. If you don't like the results NXT Tech Wax is giving you on your tool box, then apply some Pinnacle or Wolfgang to your tool box. Then, take a pretty picture, (as some would say). I noticed from your profile your about 10 years younger than me, but we still have something in common, a love for high speed and sexy looking cars and boats.
I almost bought a Corvette back when I was 21, it was a 1967 roadster with a big block Chevy, black of course. I was debating between the Corvette, and a Drag Boat, I finally chose the drag boat and owned it for 19 years. So even though you like other waxes for your ride, that doesn’t mean we don’t have anything in common and can agree to disagree.
Below is a picture of my Sanger Drag boat, I always thought of it as a
Corvette on the water. I clocked 111mph in 13seconds when I was 23 on pump gas, with both seats in the boat and two full tanks of gas, (that's about 140 lbs of extra fuel weight not to mentin the dead weight of the seats).
They guy I bought the boat from clocked 122 mph in 9 seconds and held a national title. (Super Modified)
Too much fun...
Mike
