Mike Philips is working with 3D Car Care

The only problem was when they talked about social marketing, i don`t think they are referring to discussion forums like this.

Unfortunately discussion forums are becoming less active.

Not a big fan of social media personally.
 
I haven’t watched the videos yet, but Mike Phillips is a big forum guy. First thing it seemed he did after he left AG was start his own forum.
 
I’m actually a big fan of social media. Lots of nice, intelligent people supporting engaging and diverse conversations. I learn a lot every day from social media.
 
The lack of topical and conversational organization combined with the inability to be referenced easily in the future via search engine all wrapped up in a nice wrapper of inhospitable keyboard warriors keeps me away from most social media platforms because they simply aren`t helpful or constructive. I rarely even look at comments on Instagram or Youtube either because interactions with the posters is almost impossible for anyone who isn`t a direct friend or family member and the comments can be pretty terrible.

I wish Mike and Yancy the best, but if they are going to the social media route, that`s a place I won`t follow unless it is the occasional video on YouTube.
 
Also very happy for Mike Phillips - go Mike !! Thank you for all the years of hard work and great feedback !

Watched that painful video.. :( Thank you, noorth for posting it..

This guy thinks he is the first to ever invent the process to make in-house compounds, etc... :( :( :(

Menzerna (since 1888), invented all of this first, and has been doing it for the auto industry for 100 years..

And none of the people sitting there asked him about this Menzerna company? :)

Social Media = probably ok in some applications, but fleeting..

A Lot of really great Detailers from here migrated over to Facebook years ago, and I guess they are all having a nice day every day, over there..

Perhaps where there are specific social media places; it might be and obviously, has been a place to go - as long as you know - the people on there to be able to trust what they say.. I think if I were to get Facebook and go find my way over there, it might be interesting to read their comments, and see how they are all doing..

But, I`m not going to now, and don`t really have the inclination or time to spend on this.
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
Also very happy for Mike Phillips - go Mike !! Thank you for all the years of hard work and great feedback !

Watched that painful video.. :( Thank you, noorth for posting it..

This guy thinks he is the first to ever invent the process to make in-house compounds, etc... :( :( :(

Menzerna (since 1888), invented all of this first, and has been doing it for the auto industry for 100 years..

And none of the people sitting there asked him about this Menzerna company? :)

Social Media = probably ok in some applications, but fleeting..

A Lot of really great Detailers from here migrated over to Facebook years ago, and I guess they are all having a nice day every day, over there..

Perhaps where there are specific social media places; it might be and obviously, has been a place to go - as long as you know - the people on there to be able to trust what they say.. I think if I were to get Facebook and go find my way over there, it might be interesting to read their comments, and see how they are all doing..

But, I`m not going to now, and don`t really have the inclination or time to spend on this.
Dan F
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He was a little thick on making his own stuff. But i guess kudos to 3D because not many companies do make their own powders/compounds it seems. But i`m not an insider.

All i could think of was the absolute terrible time i had cleaning up ACA 520 about a week ago on my bonnet - worst clean up i have ever had in my limited machine polishing experience. Granted it was outside in the sun and 90% humidity, with about room temperature. Looks great though, it was after a more aggressive step.

Going forward i`m going to use N914 cut 8:1 to see if that can help me with removing compounds/polishes. Seems none of them work effortlessly in my environment every time. I have like 8 different compounds/polishes lol
 
noorth -
Tks for your reply,

I have never needed to try 3D anything..

Read up on their ACA-520 finishing polish - it is supposed to be "easy to use"..

I use only a few products and make them work themselves all the way to gone or almost gone, so I have less opportunity to introduce defects in the paint, wiping it off.. I make the pad do the work, and then the clean up.
All the work is done inside where I can control the sun and depending on where I live, the amount of heat in there..

Also, to work the product to almost nothing, requires me to keep it a little moist using a cheap C/Guys pad conditioner on the pad, so the work never dries out ​and causes the horrid "dusting".. Hate it... Just say NO to causing it.. :)
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
noorth -
Tks for your reply,

I have never needed to try 3D anything..

Read up on their ACA-520 finishing polish - it is supposed to be "easy to use"..

I use only a few products and make them work themselves all the way to gone or almost gone, so I have less opportunity to introduce defects in the paint, wiping it off.. I make the pad do the work, and then the clean up.
All the work is inside where I can control the sun and depending on where I live, the amount of heat in there..

Also, to work the product to almost nothing, requires me to keep it a little moist using a cheap C/Guys pad conditioner on the pad, so the work never dries out ​and causes the horrid "dusting".. Hate it... Just say no to causing it.. :)
Dan F
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What polishes and compounds do you use?


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Stokdgs said:
noorth -
Tks for your reply,

I have never needed to try 3D anything..

Read up on their ACA-520 finishing polish - it is supposed to be "easy to use"..

I use only a few products and make them work themselves all the way to gone or almost gone, so I have less opportunity to introduce defects in the paint, wiping it off.. I make the pad do the work, and then the clean up.
All the work is inside where I can control the sun and depending on where I live, the amount of heat in there..

Also, to work the product to almost nothing, requires me to keep it a little moist using a cheap C/Guys pad conditioner on the pad, so the work never dries out ​and causes the horrid "dusting".. Hate it... Just say no to causing it.. :)
Dan F
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Yeah i`ve been trying to use the pad more to clean up the residue and i do generally work my compounds longer then i used too. One thing i will say about 3D one and ACA 520 i have yet to see dust. Which can be even more of a pain, chasing it around. I would also like to mention it seems my car has "sticky" paint. With my fathers car and test panels i don`t have so many clean up issues. While i love machine polishing it is the one thing that i continue to struggle with.. :) I have really good low nap towels now as well that help a lot. And some days i don`t have a lot of issues with wipeoff. Its weather dependent for sure. I really don`t think in a garage setting i would have so many issues.

Driveway detailing is challenging. I just can`t see myself buying a canopy but you never know. My neighbors will think i`m totally gone insane then lol

I am keen to try mckee`s cut 8:1 for wipeoff or even using something like gyeon prep, which is expensive to use in that fashion. I even seen a nice tip on the UK forum about using a towel soaked in a rinseless solution, seems like another option.

But I`m just rambling now...haha
 
Coatings=crack said:
What polishes and compounds do you use?


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Amigo -
I hope you and yours are all well and safe..

With my lovely Makita 9227C, I use the Meguiars 105/205 products, Sonax Perfect Finish, the entire Menzerna line, and Optimum Hyper-Polish, and not in this order.. Sometimes, I can get outstanding results with just using a little more aggressive pad and a polish, vs a compound, then polish, etc..

I also purchased a couple of Flex Rotaries when they first came out a long time ago; they are nice, compact, make a lot of gear noise, and are absolutely rock solid.. They have had a nice life in the cabinet, as back up machines, that I have never needed.. :)

But I found that I really wanted the extra weight of the Makita, because I like to sometimes push down on it to get it to correct more, and faster.. That extra 10 lbs of direct drive is perfect for this..

And to help make the Makita`s larger footprint smaller, I just keep a small extension on it, and it can get pretty much into any small place, with smaller backing plates and pads..

This Makita has done an average, 10-hour complete paint correction/polish on around 80 paid Client`s vehicles a year. for several years, and never has had an issue or even needed brushes yet..
And I`m not counting the extra vehicles done for family, as prizes for raffles for a good cause, some people who really need help and can`t afford it, etc... :)
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
Amigo -
I hope you and yours are all well and safe..

With my lovely Makita 9227C, I use the Meguiars 105/205 products, Sonax Perfect Finish, the entire Menzerna line, and Optimum Hyper-Polish, and not in this order.. Sometimes, I can get outstanding results with just using a little more aggressive pad and a polish, vs a compound, then polish, etc..

I also purchased a couple of Flex Rotaries when they first came out a long time ago; they are nice, compact, make a lot of gear noise, and are absolutely rock solid.. They have had a nice life in the cabinet, as back up machines, that I have never needed.. :)

But I found that I really wanted the extra weight of the Makita, because I like to sometimes push down on it to get it to correct more, and faster.. That extra 10 lbs of direct drive is perfect for this..

And to help make the Makita`s larger footprint smaller, I just keep a small extension on it, and it can get pretty much into any small place, with smaller backing plates and pads..

This Makita has done an average, 10-hour complete paint correction/polishes on around 80 paid Clients vehicles a year for several years, and never has had an issue or even needed brushes yet..
And I`m not counting the extra vehicles done for family, as prizes for raffles for a good cause, some people who really need help and can`t afford it, etc... :)
Dan F
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The Makita is a 5mm gear drive? Is that 10lbs of force or is the machine 10lbs heavier.


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The Makita is a 5mm gear drive? Is that 10lbs of force or is the machine 10lbs heavier.


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There is a spiral bevel gear in the Makita, I don`t know the size..

I weighed the machine fully loaded, backing plate, pad, and it weighed in at 10lbs.. This is the 10lbs I referred to..
Have not ever measured how much downforce weight I put on on it sometimes, but it is easily more than 10lbs..
I like that this 9227C has a speed compensator so that it will keep the speed the same no matter how much weight I press down on it..

Lastly, I have always stayed away from high speed, meaning 1,000 rpm/higher, (because I do not need higher speeds), and would rather let the pad, product, and paint (with that extra moisture, to keep them all happiest), have the nicest, longest, meeting they can have. And, it helps keep the heat from friction down..

And then, I like to work the area long enough to be almost perfectly clear, so I can see how it is correcting, and keep the pad going on there to do final clean up, so there is hardly anything left to wipe off..

Yes, this means I will use more pads on some. I like to wipe off the pads with a clean, small, white towel, as I go, to see what is coming off the panel and what color it is..
Can get the pads to go longer with this wipe off process, but for sure, any pad will eventually just stop doing its job, because all the pores are full, and needs to be thrown into the bucket with snappy clean and water..
A very handy addition is a nice roll around cart, I like the black hard plastic ones.. Less damage if it accidentally bumps into anything, has a bottom shelf, breaks down fast and easy to store and move. I put the machine, paint thickness meter, pads, product/s, white cleaning towels, microfiber towels, squirt bottle of pad conditioner, masking tape on it, and I don`t need to stop and go get anything..
Dan F
 
Yea I like makita to stokdog I have the rotary doesnt do much detailing anymore but I have had diamonds carbide cement disk and I do a lot of cement refinishing which is hard on it and I do alot of deck refinishing with other type of carbide disk it’s handled abuse well they seem over engineered which is probably the best trait to have
 
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