I don't know why some people are bashing the guy who bought the car when he is the victim, regardless of how rich he is or how much money he spent. The manufacture produced a defective product and should stand behind it and fix it. Unless there is more info that we arent getting, the guy is the victim and we really shouldnt be saying the he "deserved it" My 2 cents
Mercedes Super Car a Piece of Crap!
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SpoiledMan
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Ehh, even multi million dollar race cars can fail in a short amount of operating time.
imported_hadboosttroy
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01bluecls said:
he's an "alleged" business man. enough said.
imported_Picus
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That initial quality survey is pretty hilarious. They include subjective "design errors" in the rankings. 
Fact is, if you're buying a Mercedes, odds are you're not really that concerned with it's realibilty (within reason, of course).
Fact is, if you're buying a Mercedes, odds are you're not really that concerned with it's realibilty (within reason, of course).
WSUcommuter
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I'd expect reliability from ANY new car, regardless of the price it sells. I understand some bugs must be worked out, however.
Something makes me question why the oil light came on so quickly... was the engine not broken in and the people driving ripped loose on it? :think:
Something makes me question why the oil light came on so quickly... was the engine not broken in and the people driving ripped loose on it? :think:
SilverLexus
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Rubbish. Everyone cares about reliability - especially wealthy people. They know too well the value of their time and a car failure takes their time!
imported_truzoom
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SilverLexus said:
I think he may have been hinting at the whole.. status symbol idea associated with MB.
the other pc
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None of the articles I’ve seen on the subject suggest it was “in brand new condition.� And even if it had been delivered brand new by MB in Germany (which it wasn’t by the way) anything could have happened between there and LA. Since MB did not bring it here there’s no guarantee it was handled per their specifications.Tasty said:
If for example, it had been drained of fluids for air transport and whoever uncrated it on the other end (obviously somebody other than MB since they didn’t import it) neglected to prep it properly and that lack of correct prep caused the failure it’s not MB’s fault it broke.
Nobody said it was ragged, only that it didn’t work as the owner wanted. There is also no mention of what he contractually agreed to accept.Tasty said:
It’s very common practice to have multimillion dollar performance cars delivered undrivable. Racecars are always delivered as “kits.� Even when a team takes delivery of a complete car it’s expected that they'll strip it down to every last nut and bolt to rebuild it “their way.� It’s also expected that they'll study and understand the car before using it.
If the seller delivered it as a project (and the seller was not MB, it was a race shop called H.W.A. that builds “works� cars for MB) and the buyer didn’t know how to build it up or operate it who’s problem is that?
Absolutely true. Especially so if the people operating them are incompetent.SpoiledMan said:
And those cars were offered to those customers by Ferrari, sold by Ferrari and prepared by Ferrari. The car in question here wasn’t offered by MB, sold by MB or prepared by MB.SilverLexus said:
We don't know that.01bluecls said:
Maybe he’s a victim of corporate arrogance, maybe he’s a player who bet big and lost, maybe he's an idiot. We only know that he’s the plaintiff. The details of who’s who and what’s what will (theoretically) be presented in court.
PC.
imported_Picus
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SilverLexus said:
truzoom said:
Exactly. It isn't rubbish at all; if you're buying 100K+ Mercedes odds are you *don't* care about reliabilty *within reason*. If it's a lemon you care; if you have a couple random electrical bugs (which are the bulk of Mercedes issues), then 9/10 times they shrug it off and chalk it up to whacky German engineering. Besides, if you're in an SLR or AMG then I highly doubt it's your only car. There is a status associated with Mercedes, Porsche, Ferrari, Bentely, Lambo, Maserati, etc... that overrides paltry reliabilty issues.
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Picus said:
IMO people who buy cars (or anything else) for "status" are twits, but I suppose that's another rant for another time.
If our A8/S8 got totaled tomorrow I'd be shopping for its replacement in the six-figure range and reliability would be of great importance to me and my wife. Having an exotic break down in the middle of nowhere is no fun and *I* wouldn't pay big money to be inconvenienced by a car. I won't have *any* car that isn't reliable and I've sold really "cool" cars (including ones that were exotics for the time and place) because they were in the shop too much.
imported_Picus
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I didn't say they weren't twits, I said they don't seem to be overly concerned if theyre SL65 AMG has a couple electrical issues. Besides, as I said there is a difference between breaking down and having your radio controls stop working. Mercedes reliabilty is below average, but a large majority of those issues are not break downs, seized engines, etc... they're alarm malfunctions, maf sensors problems, electrical nannies fritzing up...
I mean say some guys Ferrari has a an automatic seat that fails. He'll get it fixed and move on; he isn't going to swear off "stupid ferrari" because his seat acted up. I'm not defending poor realibilty. I am saying that sometimes "good enough" is exactly that, good enough. If reliabilty were the only issue that concerned car buyers we would all be driving 1988 civic dx's.
I mean say some guys Ferrari has a an automatic seat that fails. He'll get it fixed and move on; he isn't going to swear off "stupid ferrari" because his seat acted up. I'm not defending poor realibilty. I am saying that sometimes "good enough" is exactly that, good enough. If reliabilty were the only issue that concerned car buyers we would all be driving 1988 civic dx's.
Honestly, you buy a Benz just for the name. My family had 3 Benz and they've all been problems. The fit and finish in new MBs just aren't great. I maybe biased about my opinion but I think you can't beat Lexus at fit and finish. My car has been running for 6 years and zero problems. My dad's S500 had to get its tranny replaced within a year, when you pay that much money for a car you expect it to last more than a year before you get some kind of problem.
Accumulator
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Picus- Maybe I'm just a weird example of somebody in this particular marketing demographic. When I spend big money for *anything* I expect it to do the job for which it was designed and I dump it if it doesn't.
Heh heh, whenever I buy something reasonably priced and "sensible" such as Subarus and Volvos, they're constantly in the shop with a zillion problems, including ones that render them undrivable. I end up selling them for the same reason I sold some of the expensive ones- because I get fed up with all the problems. I traded in my first *Honda* because it never ran properly! And then the V12 Jag never gives me any trouble...go figure :nixweiss
Chan- Sometimes I *do* wonder if that's why a lot of people are buying Benzes. I've pretty much written them off over all their reliability problems. Guess they're happy selling them for all the wrong reasons these days...I remember when MB wouldn't even put electric sideview mirrors on them because it was "frivolous". Last Benzes I really consider well-built are the old W126's from '86-91, they had build quality that was really something.
Heh heh, whenever I buy something reasonably priced and "sensible" such as Subarus and Volvos, they're constantly in the shop with a zillion problems, including ones that render them undrivable. I end up selling them for the same reason I sold some of the expensive ones- because I get fed up with all the problems. I traded in my first *Honda* because it never ran properly! And then the V12 Jag never gives me any trouble...go figure :nixweiss
Chan- Sometimes I *do* wonder if that's why a lot of people are buying Benzes. I've pretty much written them off over all their reliability problems. Guess they're happy selling them for all the wrong reasons these days...I remember when MB wouldn't even put electric sideview mirrors on them because it was "frivolous". Last Benzes I really consider well-built are the old W126's from '86-91, they had build quality that was really something.
imported_Picus
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Well ya, the whole "prestige" thing is kind of what I was getting at. Obviously MB makes some impressive cars, but it isn't like they don't have competition with reliabilty that is as good or better. But as the Benz salesguys often say... it's a Benz.
And ya I agree about the last "solid" MB's being build in the late 80s/early 90s. The early 90s SL's were just about the last Benz I'd consider "really reliable".
And ya I agree about the last "solid" MB's being build in the late 80s/early 90s. The early 90s SL's were just about the last Benz I'd consider "really reliable".
Grouse said:
How have they done that, exactly :nixweiss ? Have Chrysler engineers started designing their vehicles? Have MBs started swapping in Chrysler parts? If anything, Chrysler has been "benefiting" from MB parts and engineering, and not the reverse, so I don't see any logic in that argument.
SpoiledMan
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percynjpn said:
Exactly. The Chrysler honchos are the ones that got beating. The 300's that so many are so crazy about is based on old E Class parts. Yeah, that's a loser for Chrysler.
SpoiledMan said:Exactly. The Chrysler honchos are the ones that got beating. The 300's that so many are so crazy about is based on old E Class parts. Yeah, that's a loser for Chrysler.
Well, as the car is a huge hit, gets great reviews, and the old E-Class parts are (AFAIK) quality pieces, I don't see how it's a "loser".
SpoiledMan
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I should have put my sarcasm comment in there. 