Menzerna SIP...what am I doing wrong??

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Paulie Walnuts

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Porter Cable rotary, 5 inch orange LC CCS pad around 1700 to 1400 rpm. Two dots on the pad about the size of of chocolate chips. The pad is skipping all over the place and the product is gumming up. I know how to run a rotary but this stuff is making me feel like a rookie here. Advice please?
 
WilliamHBonney said:
Porter Cable rotary, 5 inch orange LC CCS pad around 1700 to 1400 rpm. Two dots on the pad about the size of of chocolate chips. The pad is skipping all over the place and the product is gumming up. I know how to run a rotary but this stuff is making me feel like a rookie here. Advice please?
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I am no expert on SIP but I think I am with rest of the line. first of all do not work

in the sun with this product nor on a hot surface, plus it seems you are using to much product, SIP like less, the best way I found to use menz is make a line on the panel

you are working on like 4 inches line that is not thick, with the rotary take it from right to left with the pad open to the left side, the product will be nicely on the pad and it will

Not splatter around. please take more advices regarding this product.
 
This is exactly how the 3.01 & 3.02 behave when they are out of the proper application window. They are designed strictly for climate controlled environments (around 20-25°C, relatively low humidity). You can do nothing, except moving in a climate controlled garage.
 
As Bence mentioned, temp and humidity play a large part with SIP's usability.



When this happens to me, I like to break the pad in with 106ff first, then switch to the SIP. Your description of the amount you are using sounds correct to me.



You can also cut your SIP with 106ff, but just be careful you don't cut it too much; it will lose it's aggressiveness very rapidly as you add 106ff.



Your pad choice is definitely the best if you're going to stick with foam. SIP does seem to play better with wool, FWIW.
 
Interesting, right now the car is outside but its cool. Its only 80 degrees out and its a little humid but nothing really much. Im going to try the prepping with the 106FF. I also switched down to a white pad and that runs smoother. Fussy!
 
I ran into this problem a few times due to weather and temp ..what I did was add a pea size drop of Opt Polish wth the 2-3 drops of menz....and worked much better....seen no decrease in the cutting action also...I also had better luck with a green CCS pad then the orange pad....the Orange pad with Menz seems to hop alot...when weather and temps are not up to par with Menz usage...the grenn just glided along nice and easy and corrected well also



Al
 
As I have done over 100 cars with SIP 3.01 and 3.02 and have had this happen to me in the very beginning 2 times, it seems that if the paint on the car is in rather rough condition, you will get pad skip and jump. Try qd ing the car as that may help. Also shake the bottle very well, and make sure the pad is very clean and washed.



Place 4 drops at 12,3,6,9 o'clock around the pad 1/2 inch from the edge. DO NOT put any on the middle of the pad as this will give you product binding, resulting in gumming.



hope this helps

Ryan
 
Yes the fine tuning can be a nice challenge. Mixing the SIPs with Optimum polish or Menzerna's own RE5 (well lubed) helps. On certain foam pads, you can prime the pad with water or a carnauba-free body shop safe QD (for example 425).



It is good when you pick up a relatively long strip of product with the rotary, as this gives the best, and most even coverage.



Sometimes buildup hides in the pores of the paint. When you do a straight APC or Prepsol wipedown, the machine will run much smoother.
 
the only time I tried an orange pad with a rotary it hopped like crazy. I'd suggst trying a yellow LC pad as it is softer or their green heavy polishing pad.
 
Hint: With the orange pad when new, rinse it out very good and soften it up. Spin dry it good on the rotary. I use to hate the orange pad, but after I started doing this it is now my go to pad and it works perfect with SIP via rotary. Like Wannafbody said, the yellow works excellent as well. SIP is a well lubed polish so marring is VERY minimal to none.
 
rydawg said:
Hint: With the orange pad when new, rinse it out very good and soften it up. Spin dry it good on the rotary. I use to hate the orange pad, but after I started doing this it is now my go to pad and it works perfect with SIP via rotary. Like Wannafbody said, the yellow works excellent as well. SIP is a well lubed polish so marring is VERY minimal to none.
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How does SIP work with wool?



I have a few nasty details coming my way and would like to try this polish. I've used all other Menzerna polishes (and love them), but have not yet pulled the trigger on SIP.
 
IMPORTANT!

Also when using on the rotary after you place 4 drops on, spread it at 600 rpm in your 2x2 working area for 30 seconds to even the abrasives and lubes over the area so they are all balanced. The speed up to your 1500-2000 rpm and work it in for a couple of minutes in an overlapping motion working it in with minimal pressure. Once you see it all flashed clear, slow the speed down to 600-800 and ease up the pressure and lighty remove the light marring this way. Wipe the area clean along with the next area to be worked on. If there is any residue on the new area to be worked on there will be interference with the new polish and pad and result in product overload causing clumping from the overworked product that was picked up. Make sure all new areas are super clean.
 
AL-53 said:
I ran into this problem a few times due to weather and temp ..what I did was add a pea size drop of Opt Polish wth the 2-3 drops of menz....and worked much better....seen no decrease in the cutting action also...I also had better luck with a green CCS pad then the orange pad....the Orange pad with Menz seems to hop alot...when weather and temps are not up to par with Menz usage...the grenn just glided along nice and easy and corrected well also



Al
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See I avoided the green pads because at one point and time I had some 7 inch green LC VC pads and they really stunk. The cells were so open that they did nothing but sling product. Perhaps the green CCS pads are different. Next time I order from Danase I will grab a few to check them out.
 
rydawg said:
As I have done over 100 cars with SIP 3.01 and 3.02 and have had this happen to me in the very beginning 2 times, it seems that if the paint on the car is in rather rough condition, you will get pad skip and jump. Try qd ing the car as that may help. Also shake the bottle very well, and make sure the pad is very clean and washed.



Place 4 drops at 12,3,6,9 o'clock around the pad 1/2 inch from the edge. DO NOT put any on the middle of the pad as this will give you product binding, resulting in gumming.



hope this helps

Ryan
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The car is very clean. It was washed and clayed very well. Pads are all very clean also.



I do like your advice I highlighted above, when I finish the car tomorrow I will indeed do that.



Would have finished tonight but we were in the front yard with our new mini-daschund puppy and all of a sudden 4 other neighbors all with daschunds showed up. We had a lot of wiener in our yard.
 
We need a multi quote button: rydawg thank you for the advice, I read both the last two posts you made and appreciate the advice. Thanks to all that have posted in the thread, appreciate your help.
 
mgm121499 said:
How does SIP work with wool?



I have a few nasty details coming my way and would like to try this polish. I've used all other Menzerna polishes (and love them), but have not yet pulled the trigger on SIP.
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John, it works good by wool, but I think it works excellent by foam with no marring. I used it today with wool and it will clump up a tad. I still think Presta UCCL or 1500 polish, or HTEC, HTHC work better on wool for deeper defects.



I have been doing a lot of beat cars and trucks for this dealer with wool using Presta or HTHC and finish with SIP on a polish pad. The dealer is way beyond impressed with the finishes and is even happier that they do not wash away. NO LSP's are used neither for his friendly budget:bestwish :getdown
 
WilliamHBonney said:
The car is very clean. It was washed and clayed very well. Pads are all very clean also.



I do like your advice I highlighted above, when I finish the car tomorrow I will indeed do that.



Would have finished tonight but we were in the front yard with our new mini-daschund puppy and all of a sudden 4 other neighbors all with daschunds showed up. We had a lot of wiener in our yard.
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That is friggin funny:rofl
 
mgm121499 said:
How does SIP work with wool?



I have a few nasty details coming my way and would like to try this polish. I've used all other Menzerna polishes (and love them), but have not yet pulled the trigger on SIP.
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I found SIP to "clump" the wool fibers as well. I prefer IP with wool to SIP as IP can also be cleaned from the pads easier with a spur during polishing.
 
[quote name='rydawg']IMPORTANT!

Also when using on the rotary after you place 4 drops on, spread it at 600 rpm in your 2x2 working area for 30 seconds to even the abrasives and lubes over the area so they are all balanced. The speed up to your 1500-2000 rpm and work it in for a couple of minutes in an overlapping motion working it in with minimal pressure. Once you see it all flashed clear, slow the speed down to 600-800 and ease up the pressure and lighty remove the light marring this way.





Great advice on using Ip or other Menzerna products in the sun with a rotary. I do not have a garage and had to learn how to use the product in all conditions. starting out slow and spreading the product , then backing the speed down at the end is the way to go. I can and have used it on 85 degree days in the middle of the afternoon sun. would I always want to do that , no but I am at the mercy of the weather. also make sure to work a smaller area then normal and you will be fine. it does take a little while to master but if you can remain patient and keep the speed down at first. I also love the green pads, the Propel and P2's work great with Menzerna. I always finish with the green pads and they well lessen the quick flashing and gumming up. let us know how it goes for you.
 
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