Menzerna, Klasse, Zaino

groebuck said:
So a question - if the abrasives in IP are not breaking down then won't that cause marring? I mean if your not breaking them down via PC then your just dragging them across the clear at high speed and not getting the fine polishing of the diminishing abrasives right?
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Not really. In that the abrasives still attempt to cut. If you polish until your attempt of "breaking down" or it starts to dry, then the polish will end its abrasive level to a degree. The abrasives use mostly on some of the more aggresive polish is aluminum oxide with the ability of it to start loosing it's cutting effectiveness when use via rotary. PC needs speed or pressure to simulate a rotary heat level.



However, if you use a PC at a low speed, the polish has no way to effectivly do its job, so it could lead to some micro-marring as you're just moving/drag polish abrasives across a finish w/o real cut ability, but with a marring effect.



Menzerna polishes are best use by a rotary. That is a known fact, not to say a PC cannot get a good result, just more time, speed, little product and a good pad with pressure and you're on your way to a mirror finish. Takes more time and more applications than say Meguiars. Remember, several Meguiars polishes are really for rotary use, but with a little testing/playing people started to learn that a PC could be used with results close if not better than a rotary due to pads,speed, pressure time etc.



I have always advised those that use Menzerna to apply it with a rotary for correct results. The Micro Polish (FPII) has more oils and other items to enable it to work longer, and more PC friendly. The glaze does work via PC as it needs a nice slow speed and soft pad.



Bottom line. If you want the best result, use a rotary. That's what the OEM mfg use, that's what the polish was designed for, so start leaning how to use a rotary. Period!



Regards,

Deanski
 
What are the relative abrasive levels using a PC of Menzerna IP and FPII compared to what I have on my shelf current:



- Meguiars #9

- 3M FI-II

- Klasse AIO (not for swirl removal, but to prep before Zaino)



I had usually used #9 with a yellow pad followed by AIO wity white pad to remove the oils and clean up the paint. It leaves micro-marring and still some swirls, so I'm thinking this isn't the right combo to use. Perhaps it needs to be worked in longer or with a softer pad.



I was thinking of using the Menzerna twins instead. I have yet to try the 3M FI-II, so is this product more like the Menzerna IP or FPII?



Maybe I should just buy both Menzerna products anyway.
 
ive always used #9 with a white pad. Last time I used it It really took a lot of nasty marring, but only the minor ones. The deep ones were not removed. The paint did look a ton better.



Im trying to debate if AIO is better by hand with a MF pad than PC with a white pad. Ive been able to get better results by hand than PC with AIO.
 
If using the FPII with white pad via PC what speed setting should i have it on and how long should I be spending on each panel. My prcoess is IZ PP with white, MP w/ white , FP w/ white, AIO w/ white, then SG by hand. I plan on topping with P21s after about 4-5 coats of SG
 
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