Menzerna, Klasse, Zaino

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This last weekend I detailed my car. I used Menzerna IP with a yellow cutting pad at 4, and removed that with a MF. Next I used Menzerna FPII with a white polishing pad at 4 and also removed that with a MF and then I used Klasse AIO with a white polishing pad at 5 and removed that with a MF. The last coat was a coat of Z2 which was applied by hand with a MF applicator. Since the detail the car had been rained on so i decided to clean it and take some picture because I didnt have the chance to after I first detailed it. These pictures are right after I washed my car with Megiuars gold class car wash.
 

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what didn't you like about this detail? it looks awesome to me! :D



btw, when you are able to, take some pictures of your Stang in the sun. i'm sure it'll look really nice! :)
 
I thought that the IP would be enough to take out the swirls, but it wasn't. What would you guys recommend to remove or atleast minimize the swirls without filling them in?
 
ENiver said:
I thought that the IP would be enough to take out the swirls, but it wasn't. What would you guys recommend to remove or atleast minimize the swirls without filling them in?
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Megs #80 seems to do the trick for me.
 
Labster said:
Megs #80 seems to do the trick for me.
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In my (limited) experience with #80, I found it to be much less agressive than IP, and I'm pretty sure it contains oils/fillers that would cause problems for Zaino (something it sounds like ENiver is trying to avoid). For filler-less swirl removal, 3M Perfect-It III Machine Glaze, 3M PI-III Fine Cut Rubbing Compound, and 3M Finesse-It II Finishing Material would all be good choices, although I don't know that you'll find any of them to be too much more agressive than IP. Menzerna also makes a polish that's more aggressive than IP called "Power Gloss" (available in quarts from CMA: http://www.properautocare.com/powergloss32oz.html) , but I've never had a chance to use it.



Tort
 
I haven't met a swirl that IP couldn't handle :) , it's pretty aggressive stuff. I think it's meant to be used with a rotary. Maybe bump up the PC to 5-6. Looks swirl free from the pics though
 
Menzerna IP will remove up to 1500 grit sanding marks. Although it's designed for a rotary, you will have to increase speed and keep a cutting pad on to remove any defects.



3M PI-III MG is a nice glaze, but the 3M PI-III FG has carnuba in it. It's ment to bring up gloss, but it does it with carnuba.



You are much better off with Menzerna as it does not fill. Remember, they are designed for OEM/Tier 1 use, not detailing. They have the best abrasives in the market.



Remember that a PC is just you hand moving at high speed. It's not going to give the heat needed for IP to work correctly as if it was being used with a rotary, that's why you have to increase speed and pad cutting ability to compensate for lack of heat. You're trying to remove finish clearcoat to get rid of the swirls.



Once you get rid of them and follow with FPII or Micro Polish, mix up your Zaino Z2 with ZFX and go at it. If you use Zaino alone, you need Z1, which I'm sure you know.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Deanski said:
3M PI-III MG is a nice glaze, but the 3M PI-III FG has carnuba in it. It's ment to bring up gloss, but it does it with carnuba.
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While 3M calls Machine Glaze a "glaze", it is a fillerless swirl remover; IMO, it's somewhere between IP and FP in aggressiveness. I've never use 3M PI-III FG (Finishing Glaze?), though . . . it sounds like a more traditional oil/filler glaze from what you describe.



I do wish 3M would change the name of Machine Glaze, as it gives the impression that it's a light polish with oils and fillers. It's neither. It's moderately agressive, and filler-free.



Tort
 
Yep, 3M PI-III MG REMOVES swirls w/o fillers. It's the next one down, their FG that has the fillers and carnuba. I know the line well and used it in bodyshop applications.



Used 3M quite often, but once I got the hang of Menzerna, it cannot be compaired. 3M may have a huge marketing department, but Menzerna makes up for that in quality of abrasives and binders used for the polish formula. It's just far superior to 3M. Problem is that 3M has a market share in the auto repair industry. Try to find Menzerna at a bodyshop supply house. Next to impossible. That's why I have to order direct from them to obtain quarts/gallons of the polishes. Since I use a rotary majority of the time, I use the Menzerna line for all work performed. If I use a PC, Meguiars or other polishes work well.



Try removing swirls form the new Ceramiclear type coats. Once they are in the finish, it's a PITA to get out. Menzerna made two polishes specific to the new harder finishes, one has more of an expensive abrasive in it, the other a bit less. Works like magic on these finishes! Damn, you think Audi paint is hard?? Try a MB SL600 with that new finish! :scared It's like polishing a stone! Don't ask me how it got marked-up, dealer just wanted it done ASAP for delivery to a customer.



Regards,

Deanski
 
So a question - if the abrasives in IP are not breaking down then won't that cause marring? I mean if your not breaking them down via PC then your just dragging them across the clear at high speed and not getting the fine polishing of the diminishing abrasives right?
 
My best results with IP is when I do a 2x2 section at a time and use a little spritz of water on the pad....also, I spread the IP on a speed setting of 2.5, then crank it up to 5.5 to really break it down (using a cutting pad). I've taken out some nasty marks on my black Cobra with it!! Sometimes it takes two passes.
 
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