Menzerna and Ceramiclear Finsihes: A New Phase in Polishing?

Bill D

Bill D

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A recent thread discussed Menzerna's polish for Ceramiclear paint ( a new innovative paint system by PPG that has debuted on new Mercedes Benzes). It seems that this paint could be distinct as to require a special polishing application ( i.e. special polish) to effectively and safely care for it. Menzerna is the first (one of? ) polish manufacturer to offer a polish specifically for Ceramiclear finishes. I assume it is likely, much how clear coat came on the scene, the same or very similar paint technology will spread across/trickle down to other auto marques.



Does this mean we need to have a whole new and different polish on our shelves in order to properly maintain this paint or do exisiting polishes do just fine on it? If so, what , if anything else else changes about the polishing process? PC or rotary only?



If there's sort of a new "paradigm shift" when it comes to maintaining new nano, ceramic type paint, I'm sure it will prove to be interesting as well as exciting to experience.
 
Wow no comments on this topic??



I suppose nothing differs from polishing Ceramiclear than "normal" paint? :confused:
 
Bill, too soon to tell if new products will be needed. Perhaps in the next year or so we will hear more from MB and some of the polish manufacturers
 
Yes, I suppose



But here's a scenario I'd like to learn more about: Suppose a customers came to a detailer with a new '05 Mercedes that was swirled to hell by the dealer and wants these flaws corrected. Does the detailer have to do anything special to this type of paint or simply polish it using the same regimen as any other clear coated car?
 
When i took a class from meguiars a few months back, one of the meguiars rep said that they're making new polishes designed for those new ceramiclear paint.
 
I'm certain it's going to need polishing especially if owned by a non-Autopian. In poor garage lighting I already detected at least one minor scratch on a 3 week old SL :eek:
 
So what's Ceramiclear paint, and how does it differ from "regular" clear coats? Better, worse, nothing special?



Got this information from ppg's website: "According to Taljan, vehicles coated with CeramiClear clearcoat can still be damaged by such items as keys, but scratches associated with day-to-day use as well as degradation from ultraviolet radiation, acid rain or salt are less likely to affect the appearance of a vehicle’s coating over time. "
 
Thanks Bill D, looks a whole new world. Can't believe it is swirl resistant. When CeramiClear is described as "mar" resistant, I can imagine the clear coat being glossy, but still having holograms and swirls in it. To most, that is acceptable, but not to Autopians.



Kinda reminds me of Imron, the never wax paint. Haven't heard anyone using Imron anymore.
 
Yeah, I think it is micromarring resistant, maybe it guards against the stuff so shallow you would need 1000 watt halogens to see tit but I have seen a light *scratch* in it on a 3 week old car already :scared: From what I saw, it doesn't appear a member of this forum can give up being much "less Autopian" even if he/she owned a car with this paint.
 
I've used AutoInt's "Cerious" polish.

(NOT on Ceramiclear) and found it to be very versatile.



Some copy from their website:

"CERIOUS COMPOUND

Developed for the new “NANO� clears!

™Developed over the past three years, working with a major OEM paint supplier to the

vehicle manufacturers.

™Specifically formulated for the new “NANOâ€� clear coats being introduced on higher

line vehicles such as Mercedes Benz, BMW, etc.

™Products works on all present and past high solid urethane clears, when the correct

pads & rotary buffer speeds are utilized – see directions on product.

™Product works as a cutting product and a polishing product, when correct pad and

speed is utilized.

™The product is “body shop safeâ€�, contains no waxes, silicones or other potentially

contaminating components.

™Product was NOT formulated for use on “non-clear coatâ€� vehicles, although it may

be used in some cases.
 
Yeah, I did come across that somewhere, I need to check and see if autoint's online store is functional again. Thanks!
 
For Ceramiclear, the two Menzerna products are:



PO106

PO85RD



PO106 has more of the abrasives than 85RD. The abrasives are somewhat expensive as well.



Remember, this is for OEM. In other words, not a lot of time spent doing corrections. It's like ISO standarrds, ( X amount of polish, speed of rotary, type of pad, how long etc) they use on the production lines. It's very tightly controlled.



So, use of these products in a ddetailing environment will differ.



From what I've seen, it's a one-step polish. No need to go down in abrasives, goes right away to wax/sealant.



Hope this helps.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Someone here got a visit from Santa Deanski:xyxthumbs !



Let's see how well Menzerna PO106 and PO85RD does on the new "NANO" Ceramiclears.



I'm testing the Menzerna Glaze now...



Have a good weekend!



Deanski
 
Yes Deanski,



I hope I can get a hold of that SL to try it on..maybe it's defects won't need the more abrasive nano polish? Heck, I'll even just give it whirl on the scrap fenders :xyxthumbs
 
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