Meguiars is now in the coating business? M101

yakky said:
Can you point me to one where someone has let the stuff go for a year plus with no boosters?
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Go to Detailing World and use the search function.



It doesn't matter to me what people use, as long as they have all the facts.
 
AeroCleanse said:
GTechniq also has a proof of durabilty. There is more info here: Exterior Coatings // G|Techniq
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Claim from the link you posted:



What's special about Gtechniq C1 Crystal Lacquer?

C1 has been independently proven in the world's most respected weathering facility:



Where it proved to offer the best gloss retention of any other product tested. Over a simulated run of 3 years Arizona sunlight a C1 coated panel lost half the amount of gloss than its next best competitor and 1/3rd less gloss than the average score for all other products tested.







But gloss retention is only part of the story. C1 offers the following additional benefits:



Extreme Durability: In tests C1 outlasted dealer applied sealants by at least 10 times.
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AeroCleanse said:
Go to Detailing World and use the search function.



It doesn't matter to me what people use, as long as they have all the facts.
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I'd be very interested to know if anyone has factual proof to validate/back up this manufacturer's claims? Maybe the data provided by Q-Lab? The video posted on G-Techniq's website looks like a trimmed down version uses on Q-Lab's site here: About Q-Lab
 
GTechniq has a 5 year Guarantee on C1. I don't remember seeing a guarantee on any of the other coatings. Well I know Aquartz / CQuartz doesn't, not sure about Opti-Coat, but I don't think I saw one when David approved me for it.
 
AeroCleanse said:
GTechniq has a 5 year Guarantee on C1. I don't remember seeing a guarantee on any of the other coatings. Well I know Aquartz / CQuartz doesn't, not sure about Opti-Coat, but I don't think I saw one when David approved me for it.
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That's a 5 year guarantee on a maintenance plan though...AKA periodical booster, a reapplication here and there maybe.
 
blake_jl said:
That's a 5 year guarantee on a maintenance plan though...AKA periodical booster, a reapplication here and there maybe.
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If that's true, then it's no different that the warranty offered by dealers for their magic sealant packages.
 
blake_jl said:
That's a 5 year guarantee on a maintenance plan though...AKA periodical booster, a reapplication here and there maybe.
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Not sure about that, they used to have a Lifetime guarantee that did require a maintenance plan, which I was told is now 5 years without a plan.
 
David Fermani said:
If that's true, then it's no different that the warranty offered by dealers for their magic sealant packages.
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My understanding is you can expect about 18 months from the C1. But the visual signs of the product being there (like the strong water beading) fade long before that.



GTechniq will tell you that the coating is a permanent bond with the surface, and therefore it is permanent and that the lack of water beading is caused by contamination and not washing your car properly.



I say BS. If the water beading disappears, then whatever was causing the water beading has disappeared too. Just because someone pleads not guilty, doesn't mean they aren't guilty.



Opti-Coat on the other hand just keep going and going and going. Is well priced, and requires such a small amount of product for application compared to C1 for example. It is clearly the leader in this category.
 
blake_jl said:
My understanding is you can expect about 18 months from the C1. But the visual signs of the product being there (like the strong water beading) fade long before that.



GTechniq will tell you that the coating is a permanent bond with the surface, and therefore it is permanent and that the lack of water beading is caused by contamination and not washing your car properly.



I say BS. If the water beading disappears, then whatever was causing the water beading has disappeared too. Just because someone pleads not guilty, doesn't mean they aren't guilty.



Opti-Coat on the other hand just keep going and going and going. Is well priced, and requires such a small amount of product for application compared to C1 for example. It is clearly the leader in this category.
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Have you used C1?
 
yakky said:
Can you point me to one where someone has let the stuff go for a year plus with no boosters?
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I can get one year of the PPS also know as 5 star shine with no booster. C1 did this as well.



David Fermani said:
If that's true, then it's no different that the warranty offered by dealers for their magic sealant packages.
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But the products is better then the magic sealants used by the dealers.
 
I hope that i'm not hi-jacking this thread but pertaining to the coatings being discussed in this thread. Wouldn't coatings such as these greatly decrease the need for detailers and the paint correction they provide ? Especially if installed as the car is being sold. I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box but is this a product that could be counter productive to the detailing community ? Maybe someone of you professionals can tell me where I'm missing the boat here.
 
hotrod66paul said:
I hope that i'm not hi-jacking this thread but pertaining to the coatings being discussed in this thread. Wouldn't coatings such as these greatly decrease the need for detailers and the paint correction they provide ? Especially if installed as the car is being sold. I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box but is this a product that could be counter productive to the detailing community ? Maybe someone of you professionals can tell me where I'm missing the boat here.
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Would make the detail process easier, so you could detail more cars. For paint correction there would be less, but that assumes everyone gets the paint coating done. Don't forget the interior part of detailing!
 
Excellent question Paul - One of the ways I view the benefits of a coating is that it protects your finish from damaging elements unlike no other wax/sealant. Isn't that the main force behind the retail population's interest in car care anyways? Utilizing the longest lasting product on their vehicle. Although you won't need to, you can still wax/seal your car. And just because the coating is still on the surface doesn't mean it won't require a qualified tech to clean/decontaminate/polish it when needed. And people still need their interior's cleaned, so it's not like you won't be returning to the car paying close attention to the car's need. I for one have tons of paint overspray mist on my car's coating that I'd like to remove, but most likely won't do so as I'm trying to test it's durability.
 
Thanks for the replies AeroCleanse and David. Since you guys are on the front line so to say, I'll watch this product and see what plays out. I have always been sceptical of dealers and their lifetime coating BS but as I research the newer products and observe your post I see a lot of changes coming. Thanks again for taking the time to share your knowledge .
 
hotrod66paul said:
I hope that i'm not hi-jacking this thread but pertaining to the coatings being discussed in this thread. Wouldn't coatings such as these greatly decrease the need for detailers and the paint correction they provide ? Especially if installed as the car is being sold. I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box but is this a product that could be counter productive to the detailing community ? Maybe someone of you professionals can tell me where I'm missing the boat here.
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Great ? Paul, There is no wax sealent or coating that will protect against scratches and marring as well. To be honest most of my customers can already wax there cars. They pay me to correct the paint and clean up there interior mess. Thats how us detailers will be ok. The problem we have is how easily it has come to correct paint with modern products and tools. Its a lot easier then it was 10 years ago.
 
I mean, I say yes and no...if you think about it--there wont be anything that will make the car marr proof really... and if you also think about it this way... as barry said, most of your customers can wax their own cars (and wash them)....but around here... the autohack (car washes) are still netting 6figures or better annually for a reason...people are lazy...and proper detailing with corrections take much more time and effort than people are willing...





I'm curious to see how Meg's holds up to the existing coatings--as if this makes paints even more marr proof (though I imagine it can't be much more than a marginal difference) it may be something worth while even though oyu may lose some business, I feel they'll still have you come by often for maintenance packages and stuff like that so this meg's system may actually kind of work inyour favor--less time consuming details--but more ability to do volume work after (depending on how you price)
 
blake_jl said:
My understanding is you can expect about 18 months from the C1. But the visual signs of the product being there (like the strong water beading) fade long before that.



GTechniq will tell you that the coating is a permanent bond with the surface, and therefore it is permanent and that the lack of water beading is caused by contamination and not washing your car properly.



I say BS. If the water beading disappears, then whatever was causing the water beading has disappeared too. Just because someone pleads not guilty, doesn't mean they aren't guilty.



Opti-Coat on the other hand just keep going and going and going. Is well priced, and requires such a small amount of product for application compared to C1 for example. It is clearly the leader in this category.
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I agree, if the beading was lost due to contamination buildup a simple clay job would restore the beading. If it has to be boosted something is degrading over time.
 
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