Megs #7 QD! Do You Think It will Work.

rd_volvo

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It seems that many detailing veterans feel you will get more of a show car presentation if you make your top layer a glaze.

And that many concours winners seem to have a glaze top coat, not wax.



With that in mind I was wondering if you vets in Autopia think this is possible. To make a QD or Wax as U Dry type product such as Eagle One using Megs # 7. I was toying with the idea of mixing maybe an ounce or 2 with about 10 ounces of distilled water in a misting bottle. Maybe mix a little FI in there for easibility. Kinda Frankenstein huh!



This would be spritzed over your favorite established polish/wax/sealant system after a wash similar to Wax as U Dry.



The advantage of this over QD may be a higher show car gloss for lets say the weekend when you want your car to be outstanding. I know it will be short lived but with the amount of times we Autopians wash our rides it could be continuously updated.



Possible disadvantage : Wax removal. But I've read that a hand glaze will remove a little but not all of your esatblished wax.

So if the spray glaze is diluted it may not be detrimental to the wax layer seeing that we wax very often anyways.



What's your feelings on my spray glaze idea?



thx



rd
 
Every spring I get the ich to try different stuff. And every year I always seem to come back to One Grand. Just like to play and compare against the Special Touch/Omega Glaze/Blitz/Show Off presentation. It's a hobby.



We shall see how the 3M IHG/Megs #7/Collinite #915/Megs FI look pans out. Why these products :



IHG - Seems to have been around for a long time with a nice enthusiast's following. I substitute it as a paint cleaner cause my finish is OK.



#7 - I've read that #7 has been in existence since Babe ruth was playing ball for the Boston Red Sox. I love longevity in products. It says alot. Seems to be a long time show car stand out.



Collinte #915 - Longevity again - Their website states they have been providing high quality waxes since 1912. I thinks #915 is a sleeper. It's hard as a rock [ really high carnauba content ], Lasts long, gives a unique polyurethane type finish which I like. If you rub your fingers across you will know what I'm talking about. It may lock in the #7 nicely making it last and last.



I'll tell you right off the bat I found this new combination to be a bear to apply and remove. The OG system is extra easy compared to this combo I'm trying out. That alone may get me back to OG in a few weeks. Let's see what happens.



rd
 
Yeah FNG



Don't want it to. Just a day or two till I wash and spray again.



Just looking for a short lived miraculous awesome sacrificial extra pop and glitter look. Like a mirage in the Sahara desert.
 
I don't know volvo, I don't think the diluted #7 as a QD would do all that much, but could certainly be worth a try.



Personally, I've found the best shine coming from YOUR RECOMMENDATION to use two ounces of OG Wash & Wax in a spray bottle. I've tried this on a car with 1-2 layers of Mother's Sealer/Glaze (which is remarkably easy to use) & several layers of fully hardened/cured carnauba wax. It really does leave a nice "liquid Mercury" look. I think the way the trace amount of soap distorts the reflectivity adds to the car's "wet" look. Depth of shine was also amazing....and the spray works great as a "dry-wash" type of product...no swirls at all and only takes 20 mins to wash.
 
rd_volvo said:
It seems that many detailing veterans feel you will get more of a show car presentation if you make your top layer a glaze.

And that many concours winners seem to have a glaze top coat, not wax.



With that in mind I was wondering if you vets in Autopia think this is possible. To make a QD or Wax as U Dry type product such as Eagle One using Megs # 7. I was toying with the idea of mixing maybe an ounce or 2 with about 10 ounces of distilled water in a misting bottle. Maybe mix a little FI in there for easibility. Kinda Frankenstein huh!




Hi rd,



I saw you post about this topic on my forum and I have a response for you, but… I haven't had time to finish it and post it.



So hold on to your test tubes and turn off your Bunsen burner and I'll post my response for your consideration.



Mike :xyxthumbs
 
Hey Tone,



That's great news that you finally tried my W&W concoction and like it.



It really does look psychadelic, right. It sets your car apart from the crowd.



That's why I am trying some chemistry with the #7 as cherry-on-top eye turning spritzer. Sort of like warm coconut oil on a hot beautiful body at the beach. My supplier got me 00 hi-tech wash and I picked it up today. Maybe I'll try a little #7, a little FI, and a little 00 for the distortion effect. Who knows it may morph my car into a Lambhorgini.



A little comic relief never hurt, right.



rd
 
Hi rd,





Instead of trying to create a “wet-look� Quik Detailer, try one of these two options instead:



* Meguiar’s Spray Wax (part number A-1616)

* Final Detail (part number D-5101, only available in Gallons)



Meguiar’s recently reformulated their “Spray Waxâ€� and I have to say… its Awesome!



The quick detailer in Meguiar’s “Detailer Line�, called Final Detail is formulated to add dramatically more Gloss, Shine and Slickness than either the Meguiar’s Quik Detailer, or the Mirror Glaze, M-34 Final Inspection.



I sincerely think one of these two products will give you the results your looking for and I would lean towards the Quik Wax.



I have recently sent out some FREE samples and asked for the testers to post their “honest� impressions. You should see these soon.



Both of these products add plenty of gloss while the Quik Wax increases both clarity and darkness.



Note: The Quik Wax is not a replacement for a traditional wax, by that I mean, this product is not meant for, or intended to be used in place of a "regular" application of wax, when you car needs wax, (emphasis on the word needs).



It's more of a "booster", type product for cars whose finish is in excellent condition, and already has a base coat of wax in place. It really builds on the results produced by a quick detailer when applied immediately afterwards.



I know the "Guru's" tested this product and it rated very low in their test but this wax was never meant to go into "head-to-head" competition against a traditional application of a "real" wax type product.





I keep this and the Meguiar's Quik Detailer in my truck and use them all the time. The Quik Wax really puts a deep dark shine on my trucks paint and my trucks paint is "Horrible". It's a "Maaco" special. I have the receipt for the paint job right here in front of me and the total cost was $840.00



Point being… it's not an expensive paint job, and the materials, (paint) used are of low quality.



But... after wet-sanding the finish and then machine compounding and polishing with the Meguiar's 80’s Series, now all I do is spray on the Quik Detailer to clean it, and the spray on the Quik Wax to make the paint look dark and clear.



Your mileage may vary, but for me... I like it.



There is a little technique to using it and getting good results.



Basically, the instructions an the back label say to



Directions: SHAKEWELL. Mist Quik Wax directly onto cool, washed surface, (sprayer should be 8-12 inches from the surface) and spread it evenly over a portion of the car using a clean, soft, terry cloth towel. (100% cotton). Allow time for the wax to haze and then buff off with a separate terry towel.



While the above method works, here is something I noticed.



When your applying this spray wax, "IF" you application material is "DRY", (and it is), then while your spreading the product around... at the same time... you're removing it because your application material is dry it is therefore trying to absorb, i.e. remove the wax, while at the same time you're trying to spread it around and "leave it behind".



Does that make senses? In essence, your fighting yourself!





Because I'm "thrifty", here’s how I like to use it.



Get a clean, soft Microfiber polishing cloth, Meguiar's sells a premium quality microfiber cloth that will rival just about anybody's but use what you have as long as it is of high quality.



Fold it 4 ways, and then only try to use one side throughout the entire process. (This DEMANDS that your car is spotlessly clean and you KNOW it).



Next, mist some Quik Wax onto the side of the microfiber you’re going to use, then Mist some Quik Wax on to the section your going to work on. (Note: A little goes a long way)



The idea here, is to get one side of the microfiber damp with the Quik Wax, so your not fighting yourself when your trying to apply it. By working the product in with a single side of your microfiber that is evenly damp, your microfiber will not be trying to “remove� product as you’re trying to “spread� and leave product behind.



Spread the spray wax around, paying attention to thoroughly coat the entire section your working.



Then, move on to another section. Repeat this until you have covered the entire car.



Stand back and wait about 10 minutes for the wax to completely dry to a haze.



Now, remove the Quick Wax using a separate, clean, soft, Microfiber Polishing Cloth.



Wipe softly. This product wipes off incredibly easy.



If you notice any smeary areas, (and I didn't) "Slow Down Your Wiping Motion"



And insure your using a clean, dry portion of a premium quality Microfiber wipe.



Fast wiping motions, i.e. wiping you finish like a "Mad Man", doesn't allow the microscopic fibers enough time to "Adsorb", (not absorb), the product from the microscopic surface imperfections. (This can lead to streaking or smearing of anyone’s product).



Because it is so fast and easy to use, it should be used immediately after you go over your car with a quick detailer as well as any time you show or display your car, or just want it to look it's best. Together with a quick detailer, it is truly the “missing link� between regular washing and waxing.



Side note: After first trying this product out on a black car over the weekend, Monday morning, I went up to the Chemist who I know personally did the work to improve this product and gave him the "Thumbs Up". I told him "Good job!â€� “I don’t know how much feed back you have received from the field about the new formula, but from what I can tell… you have hit a home run!â€�



I think it's important that credit goes to those who deserve it and this particular chemist did a stellar job when he created this new formula.



Make sure when you purchase the Meguiar's Quik Wax, it has a "Yellow Banner", on the left hand side of the front label, in the middle of the bottle and says, "NOW Darker & Deeper Shine�



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Suggested retail price is $4.95, it may be hard to find however because of the battle over shelf space at retail stores so you might have to order it online at Meguiar’s or another online reseller of Meguiar’s products, CMA perhaps?



Make sure it has the new label before you buy it however.



Hope this helps… :p



Mike
 
Thanks Mike, great info, I'm soaking it up like a sponge.



Just took out my bottle of #7 and getting ready to use it soon, don't know on what with all the rain and currently we are having thunderstorms.



Wait, my lawnmower!



I #7/#26'd it a few weeks ago. I think I'll use my Quik Wax on it to maintain.



Thanks again Mike, as for the #7 and distilled water experiment, try it out red volvo and post results.



Jason
 
Mike,



Is the new Quickwax essentially a spray on glaze?



Does it go on and off like the old product? I remember the old product was very thick and dried like wax after application. It then required the standard wipe down to complete the job.





As far as the Final Detail, I love this stuff. I'm going through my current gallon much faster than I expected (I keep finding new places to use it). Final Detail won't add any depth to your paint but it will definitely create a very slick surface and shines like crazy. The only negative is the slick surface makes it difficult to apply carnauba over it.





Rd Volvo it sounds to me like your looking for a spray glaze which I agree would be great to have.
 
Hi Afshin :wavey



MBZ 500E said:
Mike,



Is the new Quickwax essentially a spray on glaze?
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No, it's a spray on wax but IMHO, (in my honest opinion), it gives you the results of a spray on glaze









Does it go on and off like the old product?



No, it goes on and spreads out better, dries to a haze quickly and wipes off incredibly easy. This assumes your applying it to a finish in excellent condition, (like you have on your Mercedes), and you have applied a "thin" coating.







I remember the old product was very thick and dried like wax after application. It then required the standard wipe down to complete the job.



This newly reformulated product is much different and much better.









As far as the Final Detail, I love this stuff. I'm going through my current gallon much faster than I expected (I keep finding new places to use it). Final Detail won't add any depth to your paint but it will definitely create a very slick surface and shines like crazy. The only negative is the slick surface makes it difficult to apply carnauba over it.



Final Detail is so slick, it doens't work well for a Clay Lubricant. But for adding gloss and shine, it's excellent. I like the fact that you can get it in the gallon jug at a lower cost than any of our other detailers. Plus it smess reall good like #34.



So it just depends on what you want out of your quick detailer.







Rd Volvo it sounds to me like your looking for a spray glaze which I agree would be great to have.



I'll pass this information on and see what kind of response I get.
 
Yes MBZ,



Looking for a tool which acts like a spray glaze but applies and removes with the speed of a QD.



Mike,



Thanks so much for taking enormous amounts of time on this subject.



In consideration of the Quick Wax, would it fit my criteria for speed? I think you wrote that you will have to wait 10 mins to let haze then buff.



With respect to the Final Detail I am may check it out.



thx again,



rd
 
rd_volvo said:


In consideration of the Quick Wax, would it fit my criteria for speed? I think you wrote that you will have to wait 10 mins to let haze then buff.



thx again,



rd



I'm sure it will.



I only wrote to wait 10 minutes for "Good Measure".



If you start at one section of the car, and then go around the car unitl you have completely coated all of the painted areas. It would be completely safe, and appropriate to begin removing the Quik Wax starting... where you started, and then following your orginal path.



Another way of say this is,



"you can remove it as fast as you can apply it".



That is if you do the entire car at one time.



If you do it panel by panel, it's still pretty fast, but you are supposed to allow it to "dry to a haze" before removing it.



How long this will take will depend upon your temerature and humidity.



That said, this product dries fast... thus the title Quik Wax.



I know a lot of people operate under the old adage...



"If a little is good... then more must be better",



this can apply to both product and "time".



But give it try and see if it fits the bill.



To me, it works really well, but that's me, my prefrences and the finishes I'm working on.



You milage may vary.



I'll tell you this, for $5.00 it's worth it to me. :xyxthumbs



Mike
 
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